This was more than predictable, it was the most likely outcome. Enshittified-as-a-service (eSaaS) is now the best way to make a profit in Silicon Valley. How people clearly hate it yet corporations keep getting away with it needs much more study.
Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
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Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
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I think investors would certainly love this. So why hasn’t it already happened? My guess: they would lose a ton of cultural cachet. Turning OpenAI into an ads business is basically admitting that AGI isn’t coming down the pipeline anytime soon. Yes, I know people will make some cost-based argument that ads + agi is perfectly logical. But that’s not how people will perceive things, and OpenAI knows this. And I think t…
Aka you need them deep enough into the trap they can’t escape, before you trigger it.
Can anyone explain to me what ChatGPT does that traps people? I get the value as tools, I like using copilot, but ChatGPT doesn't offer me value that any other LLM can't. Given that everyone is quickly rolling "AI" into their own stuff, I don't see what's ChatGPT's killer app. If anything, I think Gemini is better positioned to capture the general user market.
Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
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And yet most of the people I know, including many technical ones, default to ChatGPT before Google's AI Studio. Google has general brand awareness, but ChatGPT has become the Bandaid or Kleenex of AI
Fun fact: that's called a generic trademark https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
OpenAI does worse than that. It tried to make GPT a trademark but USPTO rejected it. So it’s not even a trademark let alone a generic trademark.
https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn97733259&docI...
Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
#264- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…
I’m actually one of the people that continue to say even with this list they have no moat, because Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. can just embed a chatbot in their existing products or social network and make ChatGPT irrelevant overnight. Non tech users will chat through their browser, OS, Apps, website, that’ll be served by any model provider. The only moat of OpenAI is investor money to burn so that they can off…
What do you mean the can? All of those services have already done this, but they have not slowed ChatGPT down.
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No, I don't think it's really bad. Most of the world doesn't care. Only in a small tech niche on the internet do they care a lot.
I just got back from Thanksgiving holiday with my family. Grade schools kids all the way up to great grandparents up to 81 years old. Engineers, active military, a nurse, high schoolers, two in college. Both coasts represented and Texas. Republicans, Democrats, and in-between. The one and only thing every single person had in common was an utter hatred of AI. And it wasn’t for a lack of understanding of how it will b…
Hatred of AI won’t stop others from steamrolling them and their jobs using AI.
At this point, I have stopped hoping that LLMs will become vaporware.
Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
#266So basically they are admitting that not enough people will pay for it to be a profitable business. Also that they don’t have any significant improvements to the tech coming up.
Would you say that Google admitted that not enough people will pay for Youtube premium to be a profitable business so they had to get into ads?
I doubt anyone would say that given that they got into ads years before giving people the option to pay.
Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
#267- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…
Only a short matter of time before agentic tools start serving ads too - paying user or not. You want to refactor your codebase ? No issue - taking 30 seconds - please view this ad meanwhile.
"This bugfix is brought to you by ... Costco"
Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
#268If you're not paying for a product (the full price), then you are the product. If you're not paying for the product, and you aren't the product, you're in the start-up phase and just eating the bait. And man, people have been eating a lot of bait.
These days it's no surprise when you are both paying for the product and are the product as well. A lot of us learned this when cable television arrived—you paid for it, but no commercials…until there were.
It's true, but many services nowadays (if not most) offer an ad-free service at full price.
People confuse "ad-subsidized" with "I pay and still see ads". They're not the same thing.
And market studies show that people overwhelmingly prefer ads over payments.
Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
#269- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…
The problem is that going for ads basically is an admission that AGI is nowhere close to what they pretend.
People are valuating it for "skynet is around the corner" not "we're going to kill our product by polluting our answers and inserting ads everywhere"
Re: Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
#270- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…
Also ads in LLM can be perfectly merged with the content, it'd be impossible to know if LLM tells you something because that's the most likely useful answer or the most profitable one for its owners. Can't be just ad-blocked either, it might be the ultimate channel for ads.
> how strong of a moat there actually is for ChatGPT.
None of the above requires OpenAI to be around though. Google, Apple and Microsoft each have much stronger brands, and more importantly they each own large platforms with captive audiences where they can inject their AI before anyone else's and have deeper pockets to subsidize its use if need be. Everywhere OpenAI opens up shop (except for Web) they're in someone else's backyard.