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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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This sounds like you were making some guesses, which turn out to be incorrect. You are saying that AirPods cannot connect to non-Apple devices, which is untrue. They function as regular Bluetooth headphones for any device.

They don't function as a regular bt headphone. They don't even report battery life among other artificially blocked basic functions.

Which of the three battery level values should be reported in the one slot Bluetooth provides?

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Also if the README is to be believed the following are also hidden behind an Apple DID (not driver): - Multi-device Connectivity - Accessibility Settings and Hearing Aid While the following are exclusive to Apple devices for market reasons: - Receive Battery Information - Set/Receive ANC Modes - Set Adaptive Audio Noise settings - Receive In-Ear detection Status - Personalized Volume (use at your own risk - might ran…

Or Apple just doesn't want to bother with the nightmare of supplying and supporting an app to do all those things on other platforms, and in particular, there are regulatory approvals around the "hearing aid" feature that would pretty much require a specific device. They have a basic app for some of their other devices like the Beats line. One other thing you simply can't do without pairing AirPods with an Apple devi…

You're responding in a sub-thread where others have specifically called out the fact that you can't get battery status from AirPods on non-Apple platforms. This is, to my knowledge, a feature that is supported natively by the Bluetooth stacks on every mainstream OS and requires no "apps" at all. For example, I can connect my Bluetooth mouse to my Linux machine and it happily reports the state of the battery.

Care to offer a justification for why this is the case without resorting to "the multi-trillion-dollar behemoth can't be bothered to build an app"?

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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Any idea how much latency there is between the beginning of audio being played in an app, and it then coming out the headset? I use wired headphones to study with Anki (AnkiDroid) because I've found most (inexpensive) Bluetooth headphones require a second or two to begin playing. As I'm dealing with short audio clips, this use case necessitates restarting the "audio playing" situation every few seconds. Maybe the app…

This is your host idling the connection due to the silence. Just keep something playing (like a stream of almost-silence) on loop and you won't have this problem.

Yes, but I was asking if high quality or newer Bluetooth audio devices have a lower latency.

I will suggest to the app developers to add optional silence. Thank you.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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I’ve long found that whole feud and dynamic odd, like humanity could learn some major things about inter-group dynamics and even psychology by studying and unlocking what it’s all about. You have Apple users just happily going about their day, paying a premium because the things just work well enough together to the point that even the slightest hiccup feels like a major event, but the devices just meld into the back…

My experience, Apple people believe Apple products are flawless and when presented with a problem will find every reason to excuse Apple or say "I never do that". User: Ran into a printing issue on my Mac Fan: I never print, my Mac experience is flawless User: Screen Mirror breaks all the time Fan: I never use Screen Mirror. My Mac experience is it's flawless User: For some reason my Airpods lose audio once in a whil…

IDK. I find people who really like Apple to be the most critical of Apple. When things don't work perfectly or something is a little off, they complain because their expectations are so high.

No one really cares that Windows has so many design inconsistencies, but Apple makes a change that isn't 100% consistent and people go crazy.

With that said, I'm like the person described to who you responded to. All my Apple things 'just work' better than any other computing devices I've used in the last 30 years, and I go on about my day not really thinking about it.

BTW, Macs made printing sane. There's a reason the old Windows MCSE tests felt they were 90% about printing problems.

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This is patently incorrect. Wife switched from iphone 13 mini to samsung s24, and airpods pro 2nd gen immediately started behaving extremely annoyingly to the point of becoming completely useless for any serious use and she just gave them away to her sister which still is on apple, although she loved them before. Literally all other earpieces work flawlessly with that phone including dirt cheap chinese stuff, apart f…

Just take apple to small claims court. If everyone who is scammed by Apple takes them to small claims they will have an incentive to change. Without this they have -0.00000000000 incentive to do anything. Even a class action suit won't help. The fundamental question is whether Apple should be able to sell products with lock in. Since there is lockin on all Apple products it is not accidental. In my humble opinion onl…

> Just take apple to small claims court.

You can't do that, you certainly agreed to binding arbitration with apple at some point.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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It’s, hilariously, the opposite: the exposure of this idea makes every other product better and Apple can’t change it (until they do). Product tying is not a thing you can bypass. This is idea is independent of whether Apple’s strategy is good or bad, legal or not. Product tying can’t be undermined, or it’s not actually a problem.

I still don't see the illegal part. I am in VFX and have three dongles connected to use specific software packages...

Dongle-based license management or DRM isn't the same as product tying; each dongle just validates the license for the use of a piece of software. But forcing customers to only use ink cartridges from a specific brand, deliberately rejecting or invalidating third-party refill options? That is a form of product tying, and it is being deemed illegal in more and more countries.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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AirPods can connect to any device and perform on par with other Bluetooth headphones. This is about availability of special features which require a dedicated driver non-Apple devices are not expected to have.

This is patently incorrect. Wife switched from iphone 13 mini to samsung s24, and airpods pro 2nd gen immediately started behaving extremely annoyingly to the point of becoming completely useless for any serious use and she just gave them away to her sister which still is on apple, although she loved them before. Literally all other earpieces work flawlessly with that phone including dirt cheap chinese stuff, apart f…

Maybe the issue here is Samsung and not Apple. We owned 2 Samsung smartphone in the last 10 years and both would only accept to charge at a decent speed on with damsung chargers while other smartphones of the household would charge just fine with all of them.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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They don't report battery status to non-Apple devices. This is a pretty basic feature and without this I wouldn't consider them to perform "on par" with other Bluetooth headphones.

Also if the README is to be believed the following are also hidden behind an Apple DID (not driver): - Multi-device Connectivity - Accessibility Settings and Hearing Aid While the following are exclusive to Apple devices for market reasons: - Receive Battery Information - Set/Receive ANC Modes - Set Adaptive Audio Noise settings - Receive In-Ear detection Status - Personalized Volume (use at your own risk - might ran…

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Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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From a bit further down the page > Bluetooth DID (Device Identification) Hook > Turns out, if you change the manufacturerid to that of Apple, you get access to several special features! I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body. Apparently there's absolutely zero magic reasons why their airpods are unable to connect to non-Apple devices; pretend you're an iPhone and you're in. EDIT: read "unable to conne…

>> I hope Apple gets slammed hard by some regulatory body.

They should be slammed by Bluetooth body and forbidden to use bluetooth technology for hurting interoperability.

Re: AirPods libreated from Apple's ecosystem

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They don't function as a regular bt headphone. They don't even report battery life among other artificially blocked basic functions.

Which of the three battery level values should be reported in the one slot Bluetooth provides?

It seems the the right answer shouldn't be "none of them" though.
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