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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Buildstarted »

captainkrtek wrote: post #260
helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

Is there a way to see where they are located? Or which cities are installing them? Hadn’t heard of them til this week

You can find them listed here. https://deflock.me/map#map=5/39.828300/-98.579500

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Izikiel43 »

estearum wrote: post #239
Izikiel43 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, breaking asylum and due process laws will be a deterrent. Unfortunately, TPS is up to the executive branch, not congress, so changing the duration is up to the executive branch discretion.

Which is not related to the closure of borders to asylum seekers nor the withholding of due process rights for people who are suspected of breaking immigration laws — neither of which is at the Executive’s discretion.

> the closure of borders to asylum seekers

I'm pretty sure the executive has power over border policy, the INA is very broad and gives a lot of power to the executive, also it would be crazy if the executive can't decide on border policy, congress is too slow/deadlocked to do anything meaningful.

Second one yes it's iffy.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Infernal »

reactordev wrote: post #243
helterskelter wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey it's a start. Get people together who don't like Flock cameras and tell them about pulling the modem out of their vehicle and you'll get some bites.

Except when it’s all tied into the ECU and you can’t remove it. Ugh… You’re right. It’s a start. There’s also https://www.deflock.me

On some vehicles it’s easier than others. Unfortunately it’s a great idea to research before making a purchase decision.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by afavour »

reactordev wrote: post #220
helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

For most people in the US a car is a daily necessity so it’s very difficult to avoid that telemetry gathering.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by snickerbockers »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #165
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No matter what, the whole ICE acting like the SS thing will only result in more illegal migration in the long term, like a lot more. How so? What mechanism do you see that goes from "ICE acting like the SS" to "a lot more illegal migration in the long term"? What's the cause and effect here? Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, just... I don't see the causality at all.

Why fill out the right paperwork and actually attend your court dates and immigration hearings if there is a good chance that will result in your extraordinary rendition to some torture prison God-only-knows-where? Much safer to simply stay off the books.

Well ideally you're supposed to have a valid visa before you cross the border. I don't like the idea of the government promising people a path to amnesty and then going back on its word because there's a new administration in town but ultimately the people they're nabbing are in this situation because they already have invalid visas so I don't think it follows that this would discourage people from obtaining visas like they were supposed to have already done.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by snickerbockers »

So I definitely agree it's a positive development that these cameras are being taken down because they're absolutely orwellian, but I really don't understand why "the line" is being drawn at immigration enforcement? Were people really okay with this until the point where they found out that illegal immigrants can be tracked by the surveillance state too?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by asveikau »

reactordev wrote: post #220
helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

People are probably unaware of the telemetry on their vehicle.

But this is a good point, people get upset when government is perceived to screw them over and not upset enough when the private sector does it. In practice, the private sector screws over the public quite a bit.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by estearum »

Izikiel43 wrote: post #262
estearum wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is not related to the closure of borders to asylum seekers nor the withholding of due process rights for people who are suspected of breaking immigration laws — neither of which is at the Executive’s discretion.

> the closure of borders to asylum seekers I'm pretty sure the executive has power over border policy, the INA is very broad and gives a lot of power to the executive, also it would be crazy if the executive can't decide on border policy, congress is too slow/deadlocked to do anything meaningful. Second one yes it's iffy.

It’s not “iffy.” POTUS has absolutely no ability to curtail due process rights. It is a blatant violation of a right that undergirds every single other right in the Constitution. Without due process right, there are no property rights, no gun rights, no speech rights, no religious rights — all of them can be taken away by the state simply declaring that you have been found guilty of such an offense that those rights are stripped from you.

The solution to Congressional deadlock is called “electing new representatives.” The executive in fact does not have the ability to “shut off” asylum processing, no matter how dysfunctional Congress is. And even under the INA. Read INA § 1158(a)(1).

We could have a clause in the Constitution that says something like, “if Congress is deadlocked, POTUS can do whatever they want.” Alas we do not have such a clause, and so he cannot, even if you feel there is deadlock.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by snickerbockers »

afavour wrote: post #265
reactordev wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

For most people in the US a car is a daily necessity so it’s very difficult to avoid that telemetry gathering.

We aren't at the point where it's unavoidable though. Even if we assume that its impossible to dodge random onstar/sirius bloatware crap that probably tracks you, you can definitely still buy a car that doesn't have a 5g wireless modem, 360-degree webcam coverage, mandatory automatic software updates, and ass-warming seats locked behind DRM that forces you to have an online account linked to your credit card.
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