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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by throwaway290 »

StarGrit wrote: post #255
throwaway290 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're allowed to complain of course. Just like people are allowed to write these stories and me and people who upvoted this allowed to do the opposite of complaining. whether you like it or not. There's nothing wrong in being in minority but I guess because it is on frontpage it says something about preferences of majority.

> You're allowed to complain of course. Why then make it sound like I can't by deliberately misstating my position in a completely ridiculous manner to be as argumentative as possible? > Just like people are allowed to write these stories and me and people who upvoted this allowed to do the opposite of complaining. whether you like it or not I never said once they weren't allowed to. I said I found the writing style…

how did I misstate your position? you say this style is annoying. I say the whole point of this article is style, being an interesting read not just rehashing facts. just like many good books. and I chose a well known book as an example for my point.

there was tons of news rehashing facts of what happened (phones banned yadda yadda), why not just read that instead if you want it

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by contravariant »

fn-mote wrote: post #164
dghlsakjg wrote: post #132

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Sports gambling is astoundingly popular for teen boys. Already the prevalence of zero sum games like crypto and day trading was getting to be too trendy for teenagers, and this shit just supercharges it.

> prevalence of zero sum games like crypto and day trading Calling day trading “zero sum” seems like a huge stretch. To get the sum to be zero you need to include everyone involved in the market: institutional investors, hedge funds, etc. Somewhere between 87 and 95 percent of day traders lose money.

...What?

You're saying it's not zero sum because to make it zero sum you should include the big profitable corporations that are pumping in money?

True it's not zero sum but that's like saying a casino isn't zero sum because you're playing against the house!

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by StarGrit »

throwaway290 wrote: post #261
StarGrit wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're allowed to complain of course. Why then make it sound like I can't by deliberately misstating my position in a completely ridiculous manner to be as argumentative as possible? > Just like people are allowed to write these stories and me and people who upvoted this allowed to do the opposite of complaining. whether you like it or not I never said once they weren't allowed to. I said I found the writing style…

how did I misstate your position? you say this style is annoying. I say the whole point of this article is style, being an interesting read not just rehashing facts. just like many good books. and I chose a well known book as an example for my point. there was tons of news rehashing facts of what happened (phones banned yadda yadda), why not just read that instead if you want it

> how did I misstate your position?

Straw-man and now gas-lighting. Obviously I wouldn't have the same opinion about a classic novel (however flowery prose is a problem in a many novels) as I do about throwaway news "stories" written by a copy writer that wants to make use of their English degree. Pretending someone would (without any evidence to the contrary) is a disingenuous tactic to make people shut-up. I've had this done to me in person.

> there was tons of news rehashing facts of what happened (phones banned yadda yadda), why not just read that instead if you want it

If they hadn't have used the story like prose I may have read the rest of it! That is my and the OP's entire complaint.

I think we will leave it there.

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Post by Razengan »

theshrike79 wrote: post #216
Iulioh wrote: post #95

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Look, I had a zoomer colleague of mine ask GPT to solve a moral dilemma in a personality test at work... It's...rough out there.

As a certified couch psychologist, I'd wager this is also about the influencer culture and reaction videos etc. People WANT to know how to feel about things, so they watch how other people react to them and form their opinions on that. In the zoomer colleague case they most likely had a vague opinion, but needed a second opinion from someone (or something) to form their own properly Which is really sad.

> As a certified couch psychologist

Ah a fellow HN user ♡

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Post by japhyr »

pessimizer wrote: post #152
hamdingers wrote: post #150

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> But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. This can't be it. I was in high school when smartphones were coming out and there was zero tolerance for them or any other electronic devices (dumbphones, ipods, palm pilots, etc) in the classroom. I don't know when or why it happened but allowing smartphones in school was a conscious choice and a policy change.

Upper-middle class parents addicted to constant communication with their children started complaining about their kid's not being allowed to carry their phones, nearly at the level of implying it was a human rights violation. They combined this with worries about school shootings (that cellphones haven't ever helped with to my knowledge, unless having live recordings of children being murdered is help.) After they go…

I started teaching in the 90s, and left classroom teaching in 2019. This is how I saw it play out in every school I was aware of.

People think "just ban phones". But there are so many factors at play, it has to be a coordinated effort across an entire school. And everyone has to play along. Any policy is only as good as its enforcement, and enforcement is hard.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by throwaway290 »

StarGrit wrote: post #263
throwaway290 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how did I misstate your position? you say this style is annoying. I say the whole point of this article is style, being an interesting read not just rehashing facts. just like many good books. and I chose a well known book as an example for my point. there was tons of news rehashing facts of what happened (phones banned yadda yadda), why not just read that instead if you want it

> how did I misstate your position? Straw-man and now gas-lighting. Obviously I wouldn't have the same opinion about a classic novel (however flowery prose is a problem in a many novels) as I do about throwaway news "stories" written by a copy writer that wants to make use of their English degree. Pretending someone would (without any evidence to the contrary) is a disingenuous tactic to make people shut-up. I've had…

> Straw-man and now gas-lighting.

Indeed.

> If they hadn't have used the story like prose I may have read the rest of it!

So you didn't read it? How far did you make it? I swear there is an underlined link to another article about the ban somewhere in first paragraph. If you follow that link, there's a handy sidebar appears with details about the ban. Yay technology)

> throwaway news "stories" written by a copy writer that wants to make use of their English degree

Personal attacks on people who can write? let's goo!

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Post by LtWorf »

9rx wrote: post #69
array_key_first wrote: post #68

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Because social media sites like Facebook literally said they're going to make the world better, by connecting more people and empowering more ideas. It was all bullshit of course, but people did believe it, myself included. Just 15 years ago the outlook of social media was much more optimistic.

> Just 15 years ago the outlook of social media was much more optimistic. Those who forget Usenet are doomed to repeat it, I suppose. > It was all bullshit of course Or, more likely, what was dreamed of ended up being incorrect. Like we learn every time we try social media, people don't actually want to be social online. That takes work and the vast majority of people don't want to spend their free time doing work. T…

> Like we learn every time we try social media, people don't actually want to be social online. That takes work and the vast majority of people don't want to spend their free time doing work. They want to sit back, relax, and be entertained by the professionals.

That's not it at all. Facebook shifted because they wanted you to spend more time on their website and serve you more ads. And once you've seen all your posts from your friends you'd be done and close facebook.

Which is why the posts from the friends are now completely gone, replaced by… stuff.

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Post by mordae »

ForgetItJake wrote: post #196

Why is it that Hacker News is overwhelmingly liberal on most issues but when it comes to teenagers/children incredibly authoritarian and big government?

Because, like most of the population in the West, HN readers are not actually liberals but rather centrists, which means they lean roughly equally conservative, liberal and socialist on the political triangle - on average.

Sometimes you have to trade personal liberties (makes liberals sad) and/or privileges (makes conservatives sad) to obtain better societal outcomes, i.e. mandatory vaccination or minimum wage. Those are socialist policies.

And since the major media and thus our shared social space is heavily anti-socialist (qui bono?), everyone is closeted and tries extremely hard to justify socialist policies as liberalism, which is not shunned. Hence people in the US now perceive them as closer or even "allied".

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Post by getnormality »

The impact of phones on teen social life seems to be still controversial in academic circles. I think it would be a lot less controversial if everyone knew the lunchroom had fallen silent because everyone was scrolling, and became loud again when they banned the phones.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Post by 7thaccount »

hamdingers wrote: post #150
SchemaLoad wrote: post #110

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I feel like we have had a long history of overreacting to new things. "D&D is the devil", "Rock music is evil", etc. But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. I think chatbots and AR glasses are going to supercharge these social problems at a rate much faster than phones and face…

> But it rolled in so rapidly that it was universal before we had the chance to push back. This can't be it. I was in high school when smartphones were coming out and there was zero tolerance for them or any other electronic devices (dumbphones, ipods, palm pilots, etc) in the classroom. I don't know when or why it happened but allowing smartphones in school was a conscious choice and a policy change.

Even dumb phones like that Nokia everyone had or the Motorola Razr were banned. You had to have them powered off and in your backpack.
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