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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by preya2k »

upboundspiral wrote: post #183
johnsea wrote: post #80

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This is not an alternative as it only covers files. Mind what is in the article: "I like what Nextcloud offers with its feature set and how easily it replaces a bunch of services under one roof (files, calendar, contacts, notes, to-do lists, photos etc.), but ". For us Nextcloud AIO is the best thing under the sun. It works reasonably well for our small company (about 10 ppl) and saves us from Microsoft. I'm very gra…

I think what you described is basically ownCloud Infinite Scale (ocis). I haven't tested it myself but it's something I've been considering. I run normal owncloud right now over nextcloud as it avoided a few hiccups that I had.

OCIS seems to have lost most of their team. They now work on a fork called OpenCloud. https://github.com/opencloud-eu

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by preya2k »

troyvit wrote: post #121
aborsy wrote: post #74

A good thing thing about Nextcloud is that by learning one tool, you get a full suite of collaboration apps: sync, file sharing, calendar, notes, collectives, office (via Collabora or OnlyOffice), and more. These features are pretty good, plus, you get things like photo management and Talk, which are decent. Sure, some people might argue that there are specialized tools for each of these functions. And that’s true. B…

The thing I don't get is that based on the article the front-end is as bloated as the back-end. That said there's an Owncloud version called Infinite Scale which is written in Go.[1] Honestly I tried to go that route but it's requirements are pretty opinionated (Ubuntu LTS 22.04 or 24.04 and lots of docker containers littering your system) but it looks like it's getting a lot of development. [1] https://doc.owncloud.…

Most of the OCIS team left to start OpenCloud, which is a OCIS fork. And it's hardware requirements are pretty tame. It's a very nice replacement for Nextcloud, if you don't need the Groupware features/Apps and are only looking for File sharing.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by preya2k »

bArray wrote: post #15

NextCloud does feel slow. What I want is not only a cloud service that does lots of common tasks, but it also should do it lightly and simply. I'm extremely tempted to write a lightweight alternative. I'm thinking sourcehut [1] vs GitHub. [1] https://sourcehut.org/

Take a look at OpenCloud. It's a Go-based rewrite of the former OwnCloud team.

It works very well, has polished UI and uses very little resources. It also does a lot less than Nextcloud.

https://github.com/opencloud-eu

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Post by shermantanktop »

hamburglar wrote: post #117
shermantanktop wrote: post #88

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Agreed. Plus if it truly downloads all of that every time, something has gone wrong with caching. Overeager warming/precomputation of resources on page load (rather than on use) can be a culprit as well.

Relying on cache to cover up a 15MB JavaScript load is a serious crutch.

Oh totally, but - normal caching behavior would lead to different results than reported in the article. It would impact cold-start scenarios, not every page load. So something else is up.

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Post by gloosx »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #237
gloosx wrote: post #193

I was expecting the author to open the profiler tab instead of just staring at network. But its yet another "heavy JavaScript bad" rant. You really consider 1 MB of JS too heavy for an application with hundreds of features? How exactly are developers supposed to fit an entire web app into that? Why does this minimalism suddenly apply only to JavaScript? Should every desktop app be under 1 MB too? Is Windows Calculato…

> Even low-band 5G gives you 30–250 Mbps down. On paper. In practice, it can be worse than that. I've spent the past year using a network called O2 here in the UK. Their 5G SA coverage depends a lot on low band (n28/700MHz) and had issues in places where you'd expect it to work well (London, for example). I've experienced sub 1Mbps speeds and even data failing outdoors more than once. I have a good phone, I'm in a ci…

That's really quite odd. There is even no 5G in my area, yet I get 100 Mbps stable download speed on 4G LTE, outdoors and indoors, any time of the day. Is 5G a downgrade? Is it considered normal service in the UK, when latest generation of cellular network provides a connection speed compared to 3G launched in 2001? How is this even acceptable in the year 2025. Would anyone in the UK start complaining if they downgrade it to 100Kbps? Or should we design the apps for that case?

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Post by mxuribe »

jw_cook wrote: post #247
mxuribe wrote: post #227

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I know this post is more about nextcloud...but can i just say this one feature from Vikunja "...export task summaries and comments..." sounds great!!! One of the features i seek out when i look for a task, project management software is the ability to easily and comprehensivelt provide for nice exports, and that said exports *include comments*!! Either apps lack such an export, or its very minimal, or it includes lot…

Yeah, I hear you. I almost started using a purely text-based todo workflow for those same reasons, but it was hard to give up some web UI features, like easily switching between list and kanban-style views. My use case looks roughly like this: for a given project (as in hobby/DIY/learning, not professional work), I typically have general planning/reference notes in a markdown file synced across my devices via Nextclo…

> Yeah, I hear you. I almost started using a purely text-based todo workflow for those same reasons, but it was hard to give up some web UI features, like easily switching between list and kanban-style views.

Yeah, i like me some kanban! Which is one reason i've resisted the text-based workflow...so far. ;-)

> ...Vikunja doesn't have a built-in feature that exports all task info including comments, just a REST API. It did take a little work...

Aww, man, then i guess i misread. I thought it was sort of easier than that. Well, i guess that's not all bad. Its possible, but simply requires a little elbow grease. I used to use Trello which does include comments in their JSON export, but i had my own little python app to copy out and filter only the key things i wanted - like comments - and reformated to other text formats like CSV, etc. But, Trello is not open source, so its not an option for me anymore. Well, thanks for sharing (and for making!) your vikunja export tool! :-)

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

tspng wrote: post #252
mouse-5346 wrote: post #244

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Yeah people there pretty much mean one dude. It's mine boggling how much that little program can do considering it had one dev.

Don't forget, "Lot of the code was written on a mobile phone using tmux and vim on a bus". That's crazy.

I have tried to run micro https://micro-editor.github.io/ on my phone but this is some other beast if someone is running tmux and vim on their phone

I have found that typing normally is really preferably on android and usually I didn't like having to press columns or ctrl or anything so as such since micro is really just such a great thing overall, it fit so perfectly that when I had that device, I was coding more basic python on my phone than I was on my pc

Although back then I was running alpine on UserLand and I learnt a lot trying to make that alpine vm of sorts to work with python as it basically refused to and I think I learnt a lot which I might have forgotten now but the solution was very hacky (maybe gcompat) and I liked it

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #94
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

I stopped using Nextcloud when the iOS app lost data. For some reason the app disconnected from my account in the background from time to time (annoying but didn't think it was critical). Once I pasted data on Nextcloud through the Files app integration, it didn't sync because it was disconnected and didn't say anything, and it lost the data.

I never had data outright vanish, but similar to the comment you replied to, it was just unreliable. I found Syncthing much more useful over the long haul. The last 3 times I've had to do anything with it were simply to manage having new machines replace old ones.

Syncthing sadly doesn't let you not download some folders or files, but I just moved those to other storage. It beats the Nextcloud headache.

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Post by cloudfudge »

hedora wrote: post #238
c-hendricks wrote: post #178

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> it's requirements are pretty opinionated (Ubuntu LTS 22.04 or 24.04 Hm? > This guide describes an installation of Infinite Scale based on Ubuntu LTS and docker compose. The underlying hardware of the server can be anything as listed below as long it meets the OS requirements defined in the Software Stack https://doc.owncloud.com/ocis/next/depl-examples/ubuntu-comp... The Software Stack section goes on to say it's j…

If the developers can only get it to run in a pile of ubuntu containers, then it's extremely likely they haven't thought through basic things you need to operate a service, like supply chain security, deterministic builds, unit testing, upgrades, etc.

I see 6 officially supported linux distributions. I don't know where anyone got the idea that they can only get it to run on ubuntu. It's containerized. Who cares what the host os is, beyond "it can run containers"?

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #188
troyvit wrote: post #84

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Syncthing is under my "want to like" list but I gave up on it. I'm a one person show who just wants to sync a few dozen markdown files across a few laptops and a phone. Every time I'd run it I'd invariably end up with conflict files. It got to the point where I was spending more time merging diffs than writing. How it could do that with just one person running it I have no idea.

Same. I don't know why so many people like syncthing.

I don't think that there is some good alternative to open source syncthing ,the way syncthing just does syncing no

Let me know if you know of any alternative which have helped you but I haven't tried syncthing but I have heard good things about it overall so I feel like I like it already even if I haven't tried it I guess.

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