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Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by Dylan16807 »

puzzlingcaptcha wrote: post #111
sim7c00 wrote: post #91

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high latency on TVs make it bad for games etc. as anyhting thats sensitive on IO timings can feel a bit off. even 5ms compared to 1 or 2ms response times is noticable by a lot in hand-eye coordination across io -> monitor.

It sort of depends on what you perceive as 'high'. Many TVs have a special low-latency "game" display mode. My LG OLED does, and it's a 2021 model. But OLED in general (in a PC monitor as well) is going to have higher latency than IPS for example, regardless of input delay.

> But OLED in general (in a PC monitor as well) is going to have higher latency than IPS for example, regardless of input delay.

I hope you mean lower? An OLED pixel updates roughly instantly while liquid crystals take time to shift, with IPS in particular trading away speed for quality.

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by godzillabrennus »

ASUS customer support is the worst in the industry. Cool display, but keep the box. They returned me broken stuff again after an RMA on a ProArt Creator WiFi board. I've learned after years of buying ASUS that if something goes wrong, you might as well buy another and send this one back to the retailer.

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Post by Kon5ole »

murkt wrote: post #241
dmayle wrote: post #221

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I've been using an 8k 65" TV as a monitor for four years now. When I bought it, you could buy the Samsung QN700B 55" 8k, but at the time it was 50% more than the 65" I bought (TCL). I wish the 55" 8k TVs still existed (or that the announced 55" 8k monitors were ever shipped). I make do with 65", but it's just a tad too large. I would never switch back to 4k, however.

What standard does reliably work to drive 8K at 60 Hz and how expensive cables are? How far away do you sit from it? Does it sit on top of your desk? What do you put on all this space, how do you handle it? I don’t think you’re maximizing one browser window over all 33 million pixels

HDMI 2.1 is required, and the cables are not too expensive now.

For newer gpus (nvidia 3000+ or equivalent) and high end (or M4+) macs hdmi 2.1 works fine but Linux drivers have some licensing issue that makes hdmi 2.1 problematic.

It works with certain nvidia drivers but I ended up getting a DP to HDMI 8K cable which was more reliable. I think it could work with AMD and Intel also but I haven't tried.

In my case I have a 55 and sit normal monitor distance away. I made a "double floor" on my desk and a cutout for the monitor so the monitor legs are some 10cm below the actual desk, and the screen starts basically at the level of the actual desk surface. The gap between the desk panels is nice for keeping usb hubs, drives, headphone amps and such. And the mac mini.

I usually have reference material windows upper left and right, coding project upper center, coding editor bottom center, and 2 or 4 terminals, teams, slack and mail on either side of the coding window. The center column is about tice as wide as the sides. I also have other layouts depending on the kind of work.

I use layout arrangers like fancyzones (from powertoys) in windows and a similar mechanism in KDE, and manual window management on the mac.

I run double scaling, so I get basically 4K desktop area but at retina (ish) resolution. 55 is a bit too big but since I run doubling I can read stuff also in the corners. 50" 8K would be ideal.

Basically the biggest problem with this setup is it spoils you and it was only available several years ago. :(

Re: Asus Announces October Availability of ProArt Display 8K PA32KCX

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Post by prpl »

martinald wrote: post #89

Me and a friend were just chatting how annoying it is monitors stalled out at 4K. I think I got my first set of 4k monitors ~15 years ago (!) and there's been no improvements since then apart from high end pro monitors resolution wise. Why is this? 5k/6k at 27" would be the sweet spot for me, and potentially 8k at 32". However, I'm not willing to drop $2k per monitor to go from a very nice 27" 4k to 27" 5k. You can g…

30 or 32" 5k is what I'd love - maybe 6k at 32

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Post by Rizz »

nine_k wrote: post #87
gigatexal wrote: post #47

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Too rich for me. Also I don’t need a creative cloud sub. But I’m the wrong customer for such a monitor. I’ll wait till 8k becomes more of the norm for say 1-1.5k

Human eye resolution is about 1 arcminute. The comfortable field of view is about 60°, or 3600 arcmimutes. A 4K display should mostly suffice %)

Human foveala, the central part of your vision, has on average about one cone every 30 arcseconds, but resolution of 20 arcseconds is still quite common because the variety in cone density is quite high. So someone with good vision, maybe someone who would naturally be inclined to work in graphics, would need over 430ppi at 2 feet, or 290 at 3 feet. This screen seems to be perfect for someone with good vision at 3 feet, if you place the screen closer you would need even higher resolution.

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Post by scns »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #143
eb0la wrote: post #92

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I must confess I felt a lot of lust looking at the self color calibration feature. It is extremely useful if your work ends up in paper. For photography (edit: film and broadcast, too) would be great. My use case are comics and illustration, so a self-color-correcting cintiq or tablet would be great for me.

I like having a color calibrated monitor but at the end of the day it’s about trusting my scopes too. Audio unfortunately has this perception element that for some reason doesn’t seem as big of an issue with video. We have dB/loudness standards for a reason, but different stuff just sounds louder or softer no matter what. If it looks good on a mac laptop screen/imac and the scopes look right, it’s good for 99%+ of vi…

> If it looks good on a mac laptop screen/imac and the scopes look right, it’s good for 99%+ of viewers.

Light grey text on a white background looks good on a Mac, but pretty much unreadable for most users.

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Post by caycep »

guhcampos wrote: post #138
piker wrote: post #75

The problem with using this kind of monitor for any work that others will view on their own monitors is that your perception of what looks good will be way off. For example, it's clear that a lot of the Rust UI framework developers have been working on Macs for the last few years. The font rendering on many of those look bad once you plug them into a more normal DPI monitor. If they hadn't been using Macs with Retina…

This is more widespread than we like to admit. Developers writing software on 64GB M4 Macs often don't realize the performance bottlenecks of the software they write. Developers working over 1gbps Internet connections often don't realize the data gluttony of the software they write. Developers writing services over unlimited cloud budgets often don't realize the resource wastes into which their software incurrs. And…

On the other hand there's the Fremen Mirage and why the Sardaukar are unrealistic https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-...

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Post by Forgeties79 »

scns wrote: post #266
Forgeties79 wrote: post #143

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I like having a color calibrated monitor but at the end of the day it’s about trusting my scopes too. Audio unfortunately has this perception element that for some reason doesn’t seem as big of an issue with video. We have dB/loudness standards for a reason, but different stuff just sounds louder or softer no matter what. If it looks good on a mac laptop screen/imac and the scopes look right, it’s good for 99%+ of vi…

> If it looks good on a mac laptop screen/imac and the scopes look right, it’s good for 99%+ of viewers. Light grey text on a white background looks good on a Mac, but pretty much unreadable for most users.

I’m talking specifically about photo/video. Typeface is a whole other ballgame. Looking back at my previous comment I can definitely see why that was not clear.

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Post by carlosjobim »

kijin wrote: post #214
zerkten wrote: post #170

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You can nerf network performance in the browser devtools or underprovision a VM relatively easily on these machines. People sometimes choose not to and others are ignorant. Most of the time, it's just the case that they are dealing with too many things that are vague making it difficult to prioritize seemingly less important things. A number of times I've had to have a framing discussion with a dev that eventually ge…

Chrome devtools allow you to simulate low network and CPU performance, but I'm not aware of any setting that gives you pixelated text and washed-out colors. Maybe that will make a useful plugin, if you can accurately reproduce what Microsoft ClearType does at 96dpi!

Simulating low DPI displays is built in to Safari's dev tools, but it's not of much use, considering the different font rendering between the platforms.

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Post by carlosjobim »

eertami wrote: post #203
swiftcoder wrote: post #121

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I'm honestly not sure where all these hackernews commenters with low-dpi displays are coming from - my former employers equipped all the software engineers with dual-4K displays nearly a decade ago. One is hard-put to buy a developer-power laptop with a sub-2K display these days, even in the Windows world, and >2K displays have been cheap on desktop for a really long time.

If you have 20/20 vision, a 27" display at 1440p (~110 DPI) has a visual acuity distance of 79cm - ie, if you are sat 79cm or further away from the screen, humans are not capable of resolving any extra detail from a higher resolution. High refresh rate 1440p IPS screens are very widely available at good prices, so it isn't that crazy that people choose them. Phone and laptop have higher DPI screens of course, but I'm…

Have you tested it in practice? High-DPI monitors make a very noticeable difference for text and user interface. That's the truth, even if the theory doesn't agree.
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