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Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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So, as a non profit the other 55% or so (approximately 95m) goes to salaries? That's interesting considering how much work is performed by volunteers.

How so? I imagine there are many things involved with Wikipedia that volunteer editors don't do.

Yeah, probably. I understand there's a lot if logistics I simply don't know about. I was inquiring about more details on what the paid staff need to do.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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How is it not conflict of interest when Google's AI summary (which is sometimes hilariously wrong) takes a click away from websites that pay for ads? Specially if it was trained on those websites

The sites paying for ads are usually offering products and services, not information. If you search "Plumbers near me", there will be no reason to have an AI summary, so they can show the ads. If you are searching "what temperature does copper melt", no one was buying ads on that anyway.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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If you look up their latest annual report ( https://wikimediafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/W... ) you can see that they're allocating ~1.7% of their expenses towards hosting. I doubt that they're getting "hugged to death" by AI scrapers.

People cite this figure a lot, but its a little misleading because when you own your own servers a lot of the expenses that are typically hosting actually fall under a different category. If you use AWS, the people hired to manage the servers is part of the price tag. When you own your own you have to actually hire those people.

I mean, it's not like you can get away with running with zero SREs if you're running in the cloud. The personnel costs for on-prem hosting are vastly exaggerated, especially if you contract out the actual annoying work to a colo.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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I think we need Wikipedia competitors. Wikipedia is a victim of it's own success, it was excellent at avoiding bias for quite awhile and the vast majority of articles are extremely well written. However it's massive popularity and dominance have also led to, well this guy put it best: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_...

Elon Musk is launching Grokipedia this week as a competition to Wikipedia.

I thought you were joking, Was I wrong.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject, so you know you are getting the best possible information.

Well, any writes are reverted within seconds by the gatekeepers, but sure, ok.

Working as intended

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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> Just as a start, other sources of reference, including encylopedias, dictionaries This just seems like healthy competition. I thought we were talking about a situation where Wikipedia’s use of other encyclopedias is an instrument of their demise. > Maybe there's a little bias there Paradoxically, I suspect you’d be pleasantly surprised about how tough this article is on itself. A lot of attention is given to bias i…

> "It is much harder to elicit such a response regarding Wikipedia in my experience" You're sincerely claiming that people can't think of times they've seen vandalism on Wikipedia?

Correct. The amount of Wikipedia pages at any given moment with active vandalism is vanishingly small. The only time I have ever stumbled upon vandalism is as part of my work as a volunteer there actively looking for such cases. Looking at my feed of possibly problematic changes at the moment, about 3 entries are appearing per minute with the most recent revert being just 2 entries ago. It is significantly worse while school is in session in my experience, but vandalism very rarely lasts long. Talking to people, people frequently confess to vandalising wikipedia at one point or another. When I ask them "how long did it survive" they tell me answers ranging between "a few moments" to "5 minutes." So to answer your question, I believe it is unlikely the average person has seen vandalism on the site barring those looking at their own shit.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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The Wikimedia Foundation is unlikely to last for 1000 years as an organisation because it doesn't exist within a social / economic system that will last for 1000 years. The US government is already actively plotting against it. Sure, they can try hopping from one country to another, but it won't be sustainable for that long. It's not even certain if Wikipedia itself can exist for such a long period, given fragility o…

> The US government is already actively plotting against it. If we're going to take the actions of a couple of low level dope legislatures as, "the US government" and a toothless investigation as "actively plotting against", sure.

Even if this current plotting comes to nothing, there are plenty of ways for investments to fail over 1000 years. Even if we assume that the system continues intact so that the accumulated wealth retains its meaning and is protected, and it isn't directly targeted by the government at any time.

Investments can fail, such as bank deposits (bank collapses), shares (company goes bankrupt), government bonds (government defaults), commodities (price fluctuations as they go in or out of favour.)

Theft can also occur, including by corrupt insiders (sometimes even legally, just by inflating their salaries to ridiculous levels.)

The chance of remaining intact for 1000 years seems very low.

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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject, so you know you are getting the best possible information.

Have you actually tried editing wikipedia? It's extremely difficult to get anything approved. You have to provide multiple credible sources for things or else the mods just revert/delete your page.

Isn't is good that there are some forcing factors to help ensure the quality of the content? I get that there's plenty of drama and difficulties in building and moderating the content of Wikipedia, but it certainly does not appear to stagnate in terms of content if you are looking at e.g. the number of articles on English Wikipedia. The overall process appears to produce great outcomes and it is the greatest collection of knowledge created.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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Were any on these topics? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contentious_topics#L...

What percentage of Wikipedia does that cover? The entire world's knowledge has some controversial topics? Oh my! Burn it! Burn it all!! The librarians of Alexandria would have killed for Wikipedia. It's easily our greatest digital achievement. This is a hill on which I would happily fight to my metaphorical death, here and now. If you disagree, let's discuss please.

I don't get your point. You are allowed to edit articles on contentious topics. Its just more likely to be reverted. Because the topic is... contentious.

Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video

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> Bias cant be avoided, only made explicit This is so untrue and this is a harmful belief. And I'm pretty much as liberal as they come.

It's true though, it's literally how your brain works. It's full of biases.

What about math and physics?
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