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4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by jfim »

ceejayoz wrote: post #142
jfim wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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My kids figured out disabling Wifi disabled the Pihole within hours, and that was when they were ~9. They are intelligent opponents and a very fast moving target.

On Android, it's technically possible to use an always on VPN to still use pihole even when on cellular data, but unless there are some mdm controls on the phone, one can obviously disable the VPN.

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Post by vintermann »

kstrauser wrote: post #224
morkalork wrote: post #151

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There's also all the countries that have laws regarding sex-tourism abroad as well.

That's different in that it prosecutes citizens of those countries for things done outside their borders, not unrelated people doing things elsewhere. America will prosecute Americans for doing certain things that are illegal inside America outside its borders. As another example, if you take a boat to international waters and kill someone on it, you're going to get arrested and prosecuted when you get home. America…

There are a few cases of claiming universal jurisdiction criminalizing what citizens of other countries do even outside the country, but that's generally things like crimes against humanity.

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Post by michaelt »

watwut wrote: post #255
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #222

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I don't mean this to be as insulting as it may, but the UK government trying to police US businesses has always felt like a toddler trying to ground his mom.

Under no circumstances should be US businesses treated as authorities. They are not mom nor should have any kind of leadership position.

On the other hand, the limited size of the British market limits Parliament’s ability to pressure foreign companies.

China may be able to bully Apple into letting it snoop on its citizens’ icloud backups, but when the UK wants the same illiberal snooping powers, with 10% the population it’s 90% easier to walk away.

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Post by ceejayoz »

array_key_first wrote: post #259
ceejayoz wrote: post #212

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Is this a joke or reference I'm missing?

No it's not a joke at all. When you buy wifi, they already make sure you're an adult. They ask for proof of residence, you sign a contract. Children cannot buy wifi. Go ahead and try - no ISP is going to write a contract with a child. Wifi, like tobacco and alcohol, is already age restricted. The problem is the adults buying it then turn around and just... Hand it to children. That's not the fault of the law or socie…

> But if I just go home and hand my kid the pack of menthols, all bets are off. That's not the store clerks problem, he can't and won't get in trouble for that.

But it is society's problem, and within society's capacity to attempt to manage.

https://www.childline.org.uk/info-advice/you-your-body/drugs... says it's illegal to give a child cigarettes, and the cops can confiscate them if you're 16 or below.

> The law can't stop parents from being stupid.

Sure, but reality also often means smart, caring parents still can't stop kids from... being kids. I've lived in places where half a dozen public wifi hotspots were available; even if I didn't, chances are I'd have to let my kids on wifi for homework, on computers I don't have admin rights to because they come from the school.

They can't go sign up for a new internet plan, but that's hardly required.

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Post by devjab »

lenerdenator wrote: post #148

Ofcom does know that they're dealing with 4chan, right? Ultimately all of these sorts of regulations rely on people feeling the need to comply. 4chan feels no needs, least of all to comply. It's the immovable object of online forums. It has not encountered a true unstoppable force. I doubt it ever will. If they want it "gone" they'll have to both block it at the infrastructure level leading into the country and keep…

Ofcom is simply doing their job. I doubt they care about the users of 4chan. They will fine the company in accordance to UK law. Then if the company does not comply Ofcom will target their advertisers and it's Japanese owner who lives in France as well as having UK ISPs block 4chan. I can't think of any reason as to why France wouldn't work with UK authorities on this.

Contrary to HN and other USA tech forums might think, this will likely be recieved favorable by the the UK public.

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Post by yupyupyups »

lenerdenator wrote: post #153
iamnothere wrote: post #99

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It still sounds absurd to me. Nations should not be in the business of passing laws that apply to extraterritorial actions of foreign citizens. I know that it happens, especially with the US, but IMHO it’s just not how things should work. This has become far too normalized due to decades of bad behavior by the US, and it’s going to come back to bite us as US power declines. Just wait until 30 years from now when you…

> This has become far too normalized due to decades of bad behavior by the US, and it’s going to come back to bite us as US power declines. This has been happening long before the US started doing it. If anything, it's normalized in the US because of the bad behavior prior to the US doing it. China's a great example. What does brutally crushing dissent internally and abroad without even a facade of a single care abou…

>The net effect was people started to wonder why we bother with the inefficiencies of "rights" and "privacy".

Who are these people you're talking about, tankies, faschists?

The Chinese have the government that they deserve. They screw each other over, and what goes around comes around. It's a cautionary tale, not an example to follow.

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Post by vintermann »

array_key_first wrote: post #173
ivan_gammel wrote: post #157

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Look at this page: https://www.4chan.org/advertise It explicitly says that 7% of their users are coming from UK. If UK blocks them, they will loose noticeable part of advertising revenue. If there was no money at stake, they could just ignore Ofcom and sleep well. But they appear to be very agitated about the fact that they may loose their second biggest market. Honestly, I don’t understand anyone on 4chan side here:…

Comply, leave, or fight the law if you think it's stupid. Lots of laws are stupid. If you think they're stupid, you're allowed to try to fight them.

If you think foreign laws directly targeting you are stupid, not only do you have few ways of fighting them, trying to fight them might often be criminalized as well ("foreign interference" laws etc.)

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Post by throwaway48476 »

michaelt wrote: post #263
watwut wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under no circumstances should be US businesses treated as authorities. They are not mom nor should have any kind of leadership position.

On the other hand, the limited size of the British market limits Parliament’s ability to pressure foreign companies. China may be able to bully Apple into letting it snoop on its citizens’ icloud backups, but when the UK wants the same illiberal snooping powers, with 10% the population it’s 90% easier to walk away.

Significantly less than 10%.

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Post by riazrizvi »

watwut wrote: post #255
SunshineTheCat wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean this to be as insulting as it may, but the UK government trying to police US businesses has always felt like a toddler trying to ground his mom.

Under no circumstances should be US businesses treated as authorities. They are not mom nor should have any kind of leadership position.

No you’re right. Instead of a multi-billion dollar organization supporting the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people, serving directly their millions of customers, we would be better off running this with a team of Oxbridge literature and PPE alumni, armed with a hodgepodge of constituent letters accompanied by stiff emails by one or two members of parliament funded by god knows who, who otherwise have no skin in the game.

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Post by pessimizer »

hexbin010 wrote: post #165
whimsicalism wrote: post #161

I think that because the UK speaks english, they’ve come to believe they somehow have similar levels of extraterritorial power as the US. Just a general symptom of way too many people consuming US media/political content.

That hyperbole is about the scale of the US military budget. The UK is nowhere close to the US in terms of its belief in "extraterritorial power". You are taking one instance and wildly just making things up

The difference, of course, is that the US actually has extraterritorial power. The idea that you would compare the UK's perception of their power to the US's perception of its power seems to be the kind of mistake the person you're replying to is referring to.

Standing next the the US when it does things (or rather to the left and two steps behind the US) is not being like the US.

https://youtu.be/lJatJ-Hi2_s?t=66

more recent: https://youtu.be/Hyn_VHtSU48?t=35

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