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There is simply no way to make enough tunnels for personal vehicles. That is basic city planning. Building more roads increases congestion. The only _real_ way to achieve the above goals are building bicycle friendly cities with diverse public transport options and less parking spaces. There are European cities that function more like this. This is anathemic to the US of course.
Any reason you can't make tunnels? I've spent a while in San Pedro, Spain and it's been transformed by a cut and cover tunnel that the cars now go through. Seems to work fine. https://www.sanpedromarbella.eu/san-pedros-tunnel-a-new-life...
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Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas
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There is simply no way to make enough tunnels for personal vehicles. That is basic city planning. Building more roads increases congestion. The only _real_ way to achieve the above goals are building bicycle friendly cities with diverse public transport options and less parking spaces. There are European cities that function more like this. This is anathemic to the US of course.
Any reason you can't make tunnels? I've spent a while in San Pedro, Spain and it's been transformed by a cut and cover tunnel that the cars now go through. Seems to work fine. https://www.sanpedromarbella.eu/san-pedros-tunnel-a-new-life...
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> Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour, and compare that to any light rail or street car service in any city. I have a hard time understanding this criticism. Why not do both? It seems to me like underground highways make sense as an alternative to above ground highways in urban areas, not that they're an alternative to rail. There's lots of cities with excellent public transport that also…
In urban areas, they're usually an alternative. If you're going past the city, you could build a ground level highway around the city for a lot cheaper. If you're going into the city, it makes more economic sense to leave your car at the periphery of the city and take a rail system in because of the difference in throughput per $ spent building it (as well as the space occupied by parking for people who need to leave…
I think that's reasonable. I suppose I also think it idealist that cities will actually act that way in practice in the short term. I'm specifically thinking of examples like the Corniche highway in Alexandria or Marine drive in Mumbai which shows cities are willing to give up gorgeous public space throughout incredibly dense areas to support car traffic. But there's also examples like Boston's "big dig" which shows cities are willing to spend extra to move those auto pathways underground. At least in the short term it seems that 1) cities aren't giving up entirely on cars, but 2) are willing to pay more to have them underground.
I suspect in practice the actual approach is going to be a mix of all of the above. So my reasoning is primarily that if all cities won't give up cars anyway, it seems objectively better to make it easier to at least move more of them underground. I suppose one case where I would change my mind is if there was evidence that more affordable underground roads reduced the investment in public transit.
Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas
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>It's not clear if these violations actually represent a real environmental hazard or are more reflective of NIMBY degrowth sentiment. >it's not clear if you know what environmental regulations are or if you are just shilling for polluting billionaires. This is pretty clearly an escalation beyond what you're describing. e: Because you did already read these lines, I guess I should spell this out: the former says we c…
Let's look at the opening of the two comments which clearly mirror each other in tone and structure. The tricky thing about environmental regulations is that they are crafted and utilized by NIMBYs to block any infrastructure development. Even if, on balance, the infrastructure is a net positive. The tricky thing about deregulating the environment is that deregulations are uncrafted and utilized by amoral capitalists…
I don't think that taking umbrage with a rude part of a comment can be called missing the point because another part of the comment was better. Am I missing yours?
And yeah, looks like I dropped an 'or' between 'hominem' and 'assuming'. My bad, I wasn't sure how long the edit window lasts and rushed it.
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love how you're slowly working your way to describing a train, I think most people around the world would agree is the optimal solution here
OP is being extremely sarcastic.
my bad, I am absolutely struggling to detect it anymore on anything pertaining to Elon
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The LVCC Loop has demonstrated a peak capacity of ~4,400–4,500 passengers per hour in testing. How did you arrive at tens of thousands of riders?
I was at the world’s biggest automotive show. It was packed.
I didn't realize they could fit tens of thousands of people in the waiting areas. Those stations must really be something to behold.
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#267The tricky thing about environmental regulations is that they are crafted and utilized by NIMBYs to block any infrastructure development. Even if, on balance, the infrastructure is a net positive. It's not clear if these violations actually represent a real environmental hazard or are more reflective of NIMBY degrowth sentiment.
NIMBY is in the past, now it is a BANANA - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone
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#268All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole
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Yes. There has been a distinct cultural shift. Some of it is politics for sure, but this forum is generally less optimistic about the future and technology than 2012-2016
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Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.
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Tram lines are far cheaper than having miles and miles of tunnels in a vacuum.
Actual trains can be loaded and unloaded faster, and don't need one driver for every 4 people. In fact, trains have been automated with no drivers for well over 50 years in many parts of the world.
These cars, despite being on an extremely limited access roadway, still can't be trusted to drive themselves. They are literally in the most ideal environment for self-driving. This should be the first place they have self-driving cars.
You need to free yourself from being such a fanboy.
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In 2023-03, they did passenger 1,000,000 [1]. In 2024-05, they did passenger 2,000,000 [2]. So 1,000,000 passengers in 14 months or ~420 days. That is a average throughput of ~2,400 passengers per day. In comparison, the Tokyo Marunouchi line averages ~1,100,000 passengers per day [3]. That is ~420x the rate. Every single day, they do what the Las Vegas Loop does in a year. The peak capacity that they claim without e…
You are 100% correct. It’s small fry right now. You might be shocked to learn the first airplane couldn’t take passengers. Things improve, or at least attempt to. Even if it fails, I’d rather live in a world where new ideas are being tried and tested and not always talking about how good my horse and cart is.
There's that, but attempting to run around regulations despite numerous violations just doesn't fly either.