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Does he explain why the valuation of the company would go up by $78 billion on the public news that AMD agreed to give $78 billion of goods to OpenAI for free?
It validates that MI450 works. Jensen was saying other GPUs are so bad that companies wouldn't even take them for free and then OpenAI said no, we actually will take AMD GPUs for free. They're not that bad.
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Re: OpenAI, Nvidia fuel $1T AI market with web of circular deals
#262Yeah I spoke to my wife a few min ago about these deals and other indicators of a bubble. We’re updating our 401k’s and the old college fund brokerage account in the morning and have agreed to not make any additional changes until Jan 2027. Going to sit out a year and see what happens.
These sorts of outlooks are notoriously hard to predict. Paul Tudor Jones (one of the most successful investors of our time) is of the mindset that if anything we are about to see equity appreciation far in excess of what we have seen for decades. https://fortune.com/2025/10/07/paul-tudor-jones-hedge-fund-b... If that's the case, right when you're looking to rebalance your portfolio, you're going to be looking at a m…
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
These sorts of outlooks are notoriously hard to predict. Paul Tudor Jones (one of the most successful investors of our time) is of the mindset that if anything we are about to see equity appreciation far in excess of what we have seen for decades. https://fortune.com/2025/10/07/paul-tudor-jones-hedge-fund-b... If that's the case, right when you're looking to rebalance your portfolio, you're going to be looking at a m…
> These sorts of outlooks are notoriously hard to predict The gut feeling you're about to lose your life savings isn't worth it for a lot of people, when I had most of my money invested it was always in the back of my mind. I cashed out and bought land/started building a multi generational house. All doubts and fear disappeared overnight, I'm for sure losing money compared to going all in on Nvidia or even btc, but I…
interestingly, my wife and I have discussed this a lot too. We have 20 acres in SE Oklahoma that we got a really good deal on during the pandemic, the land is unplatted and the realtor didn't know there was water and power service already setup by the previous owner. We want to build a small cabin/house over the next couple years. It's like a retirement backup plan, "if everything goes to hell we can still go sit on our land in OK and watch the sunset..."
Re: OpenAI, Nvidia fuel $1T AI market with web of circular deals
#264There is a beautiful scene from "The Wolf of Wall Street", in which Matthew McConaughey outshines Leonardo DiCaprio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4iBdIq0aaY I think it serves as a good commentary.
I finally got around to watching that a year or two ago. That scene is among several that are just remarkable bits of work, but somehow the whole film itself felt like a slog. I feel like that's the problem generally with late career Scorsese. The last of his films that felt consistently interesting and free of flab was, to me, Casino , though he got close for me with The Aviator and The Departed .
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I finally got around to watching that a year or two ago. That scene is among several that are just remarkable bits of work, but somehow the whole film itself felt like a slog. I feel like that's the problem generally with late career Scorsese. The last of his films that felt consistently interesting and free of flab was, to me, Casino , though he got close for me with The Aviator and The Departed .
Agreed on TWoWS. Kind of loved every scene in the movie, but actually strongly dislike the movie in full. I also think that despite what seems like an attempt to critique the destructive lifestyle, it does the opposite and glorifies it. Mostly not a fan of his later career work, but I do really like Killers of the Flower Moon and Shutter Island.
I haven't seen KOTFM b/c it's past my Scorsese Endpoint. ;)
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt, or at least hope, that no sort of managed fund for retirement (read: low risk) is going 15% on AI stuff. Regardless of what one thinks might happen, it has to be accepted at this is an obviously very high risk bet, because this all is screaming bubble even more than the era of 'zomg i flipped this house i financed on an insta-approved loan, installed granite counter tops, and walked away with $20k profit in…
But probably they will invest in the sp500, and tech companies make a big portion of the sp 500 and these tech companies also happen to be big in AI
Re: OpenAI, Nvidia fuel $1T AI market with web of circular deals
#267> Two weeks ago, Nvidia Corp. agreed to invest as much as $100 billion in OpenAI to help the leading AI startup fund a data-center buildout so massive it could power a major city. OpenAI in turn committed to filling those sites with millions of Nvidia chips. The arrangement was promptly criticized for its “circular” nature. That's not a "circular" deal, that's a... regular deal. I genuinely don't understand the criti…
Why people worry:
• Real demand vs. vendor financing: When the supplier is effectively fronting the cash for the customer’s purchases, it’s not the same as independent spending from end users. Investors and regulators want to see whether OpenAI could buy all those chips without Nvidia’s financing.
• Confusing financials: Nvidia appears to rack up huge sales, while OpenAI’s balance sheet swells with cutting-edge hardware financed by Nvidia. Untangling how much of each company’s “growth” is externally driven versus funded by the other side becomes tricky.
• Risk concentration: Nvidia’s fortunes would hinge on OpenAI delivering an multi-trillion-dollar scale business to justify the investment. If AI demand doesn’t materialize as hoped, Nvidia isn’t just missing chip sales, it’s directly exposed to OpenAI’s downside.
• Governance & optics: When vendor and customer roles blur, people question whether decisions are being made to satisfy true market demand or to juice financial metrics and valuations.
So it’s not that reciprocal deals are bad; it’s that circular, high-dollar deals can obscure what’s actually happening under the hood. That’s why folks are raising eyebrows.
It’s like Sam giving Pat a $20 “investment,” and Pat immediately spending that same $20 to buy Sam’s lunch vouchers. Sam says, “I sold $20 of lunches!” Pat says, “I’ve got $20 in lunches!” But really, it’s one $20 bill just doing a lap.
I'm generally of the same take as you: this reads much more to me like 2009-2013 Apple where they fronted cash to suppliers to do build outs and get to the 10x scale Apple needed ASAP. People looking at this as "proof" there's a "bubble" scare me.
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Aren’t extremely wealthy people that wealthy due to the valuation of their stock? IIRC generally the higher the networth, the higher share is kept in stocks
They can move their wealth from stocks to gold, for example. Look at the price of gold.
Just using Google / Gold as a comparison [1].
Assume you have 100 units of each.
In late 2021, Googs gone up ~100% so you have to rebalance because you have $200 in Goog and $92 in Gold. So lets say you rebalance to 80 Goog (160$) and 144 Gold ($130).
In late 2022, Googs gone down ~40% so you have to rebalance because you have $96 in Goog and $141 in Gold. So lets say you rebalance to 100 Goog ($120) and 118 Gold ($112).
So over the course of 2 years Goog has gone up 20% and Golds gown down 5% but your investments are overall up 16%. Obviously a 100% Goog investment is higher but with more risk.
If you didn't do any rebalancing then you have a gain of 7.5% (100*1.2 + 100*0.95 = 215)
[1]: https://www.google.com/finance/beta/quote/PHYS:TSE?compariso...
Re: OpenAI, Nvidia fuel $1T AI market with web of circular deals
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This is How Larry Elisson beat Musk for a short while although Oracle was struggling.' The deals among Oracle, Nvidia, and OpenAI have raised concerns about their circular and potentially risky nature. Oracle is reportedly spending tens of billions on Nvidia's advanced chips, Nvidia plans to invest up to $100 billion in OpenAI, and OpenAI uses Oracle's cloud infrastructure through Microsoft's Azure, creating a closed…
If this means that the fall of OpenAI will cause Oracle and Nvidia to crash and downsize, bubbles aren't completely bad.
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#270A 0.1% tax on all money transfers (or any other transfers of value from entity A to entity B) would end this...
Meta point: governments want to tax each money transfer - when people are paid, when selling a real estate property, when selling stocks, when selling goods and services. Every time money changes hands governments want to take a piece. This is the easiest way for me to understand taxation in pretty much any jurisdiction.