If this was to become an actual law, that could ruin a persons life. what if they depended on the internet infrastructure for their work or profession. They'd literally have to leave Canada.
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Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant
#262I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
It’s always important to check these days, but nothing surprises me in the realm of bad laws anymore.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's not defend the konvoy agitators here, these were legit seditionists who were given far too much leeway to start with. Cutting off their access to crowdsourced funds was too little too late, they should have been shut down more forcefully much sooner.
> ..who were given far too much leeway to start with. Listen to your language. Freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful protest are now far too much leeway ? The very rights protected by the Charter? Because they are protesting against things you like? Or protesting for things you don't like? Your like and dislike trumps their freedom does it? You do realize who you sound like, don't you? Think about it. Mull it ove…
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#264I think countries with division and low social trust and cohesion necessarily require increasingly authoritarian measures from the government to hold them together. Increasing dependence on government for their own security will reduce peoples' ability to question and change the government. One might think it's all part of the plan. Real freedom and self determination has been a fleeting blink of an eye in the histor…
The power given to the masses vs the ruling class is always in flux. The light may go out, but it won't be forever. I'm also hopeful that the requirement for a well educated workforce will nudge societies towards more freedom than the historical norm.
All authoritarian societies have their priesthoods, knighthoods, police forces, scribes, etc., or their modern equivalents, essentially a small middle class afforded more wealth and more rights than the peasantry.
Couple this with the fact that educated people often buy into authoritarian ideologies. At least that’s what I’ve seen. If there is any legitimate basis behind American anti-intellectualism this is it.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
The power given to the masses vs the ruling class is always in flux. The light may go out, but it won't be forever. I'm also hopeful that the requirement for a well educated workforce will nudge societies towards more freedom than the historical norm.
> The power given to the masses vs the ruling class is always in flux. The light may go out, but it won't be forever. Impossible to be so sure. > I'm also hopeful that the requirement for a well educated workforce will nudge societies towards more freedom than the historical norm. "The educated" have been among the most susceptible to authoritarian tendencies and propaganda, so I would not be too hopeful of that. htt…
> Impossible to be so sure.
Forever is a long time. I’m betting on ‘not forever’.
Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant
#266I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
This legislation is clearly dangerous, but how do you associate it with targeting a particular group?
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#267The argument made here seems to be that the power to prevent unlawful access or threats is somehow required to keep us all safe. But if someone was an actual threat, do we really think they’d be using the internet with their own identity? Like if someone is willing to hack into a power station or some other critical infrastructure, they’ll be simultaneously stupid enough to use their own credit card? Illegal things a…
It's always like this. Bad guys, unless extremely dumb, will come up with workarounds. So, it ends up just being a war on law abiding citizens.
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#268Does Canadian law require identification for using public WiFi? If not, then "specified person" can simply hop on the bus or subway, connect to WiFi and do illegal things all day long. Just trying to help.
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#269The argument made here seems to be that the power to prevent unlawful access or threats is somehow required to keep us all safe. But if someone was an actual threat, do we really think they’d be using the internet with their own identity? Like if someone is willing to hack into a power station or some other critical infrastructure, they’ll be simultaneously stupid enough to use their own credit card? Illegal things a…
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Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant
#270The argument made here seems to be that the power to prevent unlawful access or threats is somehow required to keep us all safe. But if someone was an actual threat, do we really think they’d be using the internet with their own identity? Like if someone is willing to hack into a power station or some other critical infrastructure, they’ll be simultaneously stupid enough to use their own credit card? Illegal things a…
Yes, illegal things are already illegal. But, if you alter the law, you can create new areas to monetise or ways to extract private information from legally minded citizens. In other words, these laws are nothing to do with preventing illegality, they are about control. They are co-ordinated across different legal jurisdictions too.