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US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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I’ve seen the movie Brazil and I wish more people had so they would have voted better.

Don't forget the inverse can happen, like when tech-bros read sci-fi and end up thinking Bad Thing is a good idea... :|

geez, can you people stop tearing down the torment nexus for just one minute!

Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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I've had four overnight delays on three transatlantic trips this year. Fortunately, EU passenger compensation rules applied to three of them; the airline must pay each delayed passenger 600€ or convince them to take a more compelling non-cash offer.

I'm not for heavily regulating non-safety details of how most industries do business, but I do think it's fair to demand the true price up front and compensation when the airline doesn't provide the service it sold for reasons within its control.

Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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Delta at least supplies a 24 hour grace period to cancel in case one made a mistake. I noticed they don't even charge cards until after this period

I think this one is required federally because every US airline allows this that I’ve flown.

It is a legal requirement.

Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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If each flight leg is a different price, how can the website show you the total until you select both (or all) legs?

That doesn't mean it's not opaque and complicated.

The context is making pricing more opaque than it needs to be in order to earn more money.

I don’t understand how it could be made simpler, unless you want every flight to cost the same, which is stupid. Hence the complaint does not make sense.

Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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Flying with babies (and other young children) presents challenges which "everyone else" doesn't have to deal with. Babies and children need much more attention. Babies are much more likely to throw tantrums, to feel pain from pressure changes, to be sick, etc. They often need a LOT of soothing. Many also need to be breast fed (some babies don't take bottles), which depending on the baby's length and the side they're…

Do kids have to fly…???

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Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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And its even more for first class!

Sure, but everyone agrees that first class is full of perks. “People taller than 6’1 can sit here without being in pain” shouldn’t be a multi-hundred dollar up charge.

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Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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post #257

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Don't forget the inverse can happen, like when tech-bros read sci-fi and end up thinking Bad Thing is a good idea... :|

geez, can you people stop tearing down the torment nexus for just one minute!

Ah yes, the Torment Nexus from the popular sci-fi book, "Don't build the Torment Nexus!"

Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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> Instead of the clear, itemized pricing system that passengers currently rely on, airlines could hide fees until later in the booking process… They call what we have now “clear”? Where when looking at a page of flights I don’t know how much the multitude of economy/economy+/economy++/premium economy/business/business++ seats will cost until I click on each flight? Where every carrier offers slightly different variat…

If each flight leg is a different price, how can the website show you the total until you select both (or all) legs?

FWIW, at least as of today, American Airlines' website attempts to show you round trip prices.

When choosing your outbound leg(s), they show a price inclusive of the cheapest return journey on the day you selected to return using the class of service on your outbound leg. So, there's all sorts of ways for it to be incorrect - maybe you want a different class of service, maybe the cheapest return has a stop but you'd like the direct, etc. - but it's still really useful for figuring out the best options for your flights.

Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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> Also, nothing is worse than the folks who didn’t pay up ahead of time who bug one, ‘may we switch seats so we can sit together?’ Some of us parents ask that question for your benefit, not ours. Do you want to sit next to my three-year-old?

> Do you want to sit next to my three-year-old? Not particularly, no. What I want is for you to purchase the seats your family needs ahead of time, not ask me for them for free. I know that travelling with kids is really tough. I sincerely sympathize! But it’s not a surprise that a kid needs a seat next to his parents. They know when they bought the ticket that he’ll be coming along, because they’re buying the ticket…

I believe every airline should offer a basic service: when minors are traveling with an adult, they should automatically be seated together. Ideally, airlines should provide a designated family seating area to avoid situations where a child ends up sitting next to a stranger.

Re: US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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I fly a lot and let me put in context one of the “protections” as far as parents being seated with children or at least how it works on Delta.

If you buy their lowest fare - which they try their best to steer you away from and they say prominently in big bold type avive where you order your ticket that you will not be able to choose your seat - you cannot in fact choose your seat. Then parents complain and people who did pay to choose their seat are forced to move so kids can sit with their parents.

The rest of the items that the airline wants to roll back are foot guns for infrequent travelers.

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