I wonder how this aligns with EU's accessibility act. Covering "the vast majority of users and real-world use cases" isn't really enough based on EU's own regulation.
EU age verification app not planning desktop support
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#262I think that the European Digital Identity project should not be hosting its source code and content related to European standards, guidelines, and initiatives on GitHub, a closed source product owned by Microsoft.
If nonprofits like the FSF or communities like the Debian project are able to store their code, why is an organisation with the magnitude of the European Comission unable to do it.
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#263Earlier quoted context omitted.
While everyone took the opportunity to reply to you with "Not in my bank/country/to-my-awareness" This is what's happening in Portugal: https://old.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/1msc886/obriga%C3... Effectively, if the client doesn't download the App, they will never be able to log into the homebanking website again. The bank enforced this and now if you login normally it will redirect to a page where you can downlo…
You say "The bank"... does this mean Portugal only has one bank? If not, wouldn't this be a good reason so change banks? Maybe to a credit union (bank co-op) if they have those in Portugal as the members generally have much more of a say.
When I wrote "the bank" I meant, the bank in question, which is the one mentioned in the URL. Hope this makes it clearer for you.
As for alternatives, yes there are, I'm still figuring which ones do not require an app on the smart-phone, though.
I believe I've found a fair alternative after asking a few friends but, I have to account for other factors as well, like, how secure their infrastructure is.
This is because offline 2FA keyfobs were never that popular in Portugal (to my knowledge), unlike 2FA via SMS which I find less secure that keyfobs, but now with the SCA directives from the EU, most banks are jumping on the App 2FA bandwagon. Some do offer a government issued alternative [0] but it still requires an app. I'd be perfectly happy to sign in with my Citizen's ID card reader but that is also rarely implemented (bank-wise), specially since the Chave Movel Digital app from the government [0].
Bottom line, most major banks are going in one direction (deploying their own apps onto customer devices), while smaller banks are staying put (with SMS 2FA) but their security was never that great. So I'm still prospecting and yes, there's a bank co-op on my list also.
Oh, and by "security" I'm mostly going by feel here. Like, if the web interface is a bit jankie I don't feel secure. I'm not going to look into obfuscated .js and pretend like I know anything about web security.
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#264What a sovereign tech indeed, considered that both Android and iOS are USA flagship mobile OSes...
Beside that, as long as people do not realize that Desktops are for personal ownership and personal production while mobile are only for surveillance and consumption all digitization efforts will push those who knows toward something else, cryptos instead of legal tender money, self-hosted stuff and so on.
As a result at a given point in time population will be split in two main cohort: those who knows vs all the rest.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another recent news about mandated app use: Ryanair now (from November) requires using their app for the boarding pass, no more printouts from the desktop. Also, they refuse to show the QR code for the boarding pass in a mobile browser via the website, you must use their app. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/ryanair-s-new-check-in...
But what if my battery runs out?
They are verbose and vague about it: "Some passengers may be concerned about what they can do if they lose their phone or of their devices run out of battery before the pass board the aircraft. Ryanair has said they will assist people experiencing difficulties free of charge at the gate gathering their information and flight details which will be cross-checked and validated against the flight manifest so that they can board as normal."
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#266I think that the European Digital Identity project should not be hosting its source code and content related to European standards, guidelines, and initiatives on GitHub, a closed source product owned by Microsoft.
Why stop there? Go all in: they should not run their open source totalitarian digital control nightmare codebase on closed source hardware, because that's the real issue!
If Dr. Evil created a death ray machine to destroy all life on Earth, I would be there to say “oh it is based on an open standard, how nice”.
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ticketmaster and their stupid app is another good example. As if I couldn't hate Ticketmaster any more I recently bought some tickets and learned about this idiocy.
I throw the tickets into my (digital) wallet and then don't think about the app until the next time I need to buy tickets. But that's not helpful if you don't have a phone.
And most wallet apps don't work if you install your own phone OS.
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#268Tangentially, I would love to be able to see the age of everyone on the internet. IRL this gives us so much context when having an interaction.
I dream of a world, in which people are judged not by their age but by the content of their character.
There are other interaction modes than judging or hating. Age is useful for many of those, its especially useful for tolerance. Most cultures do have age based moral code for interaction which compensates both for experience(lack of) and decaying cognitive abilities due to age or provides credibility for perspective and trustworthiness.
This enforced loss of fidelity is among the primary problems for online communications.
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#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's little competition pressure because consumers don't care. I guess the standard theory says that the buck ends there. If people are fine with it, it's fine.
Now you're talking! People suck, it's their fault.
We'd do well with taking an honest stock of what allowed the formation of democracies and civil liberties, because likely it wasn't that average people longed for it so much that it happened. It's out of my weight class to pitch a grand narrative for this, but we've seen many forms of societies and governances and the current one (or from 20 years ago) won't be the last.
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#270EU is just rushing into bullshit dystopia scifi with its useless and harmful anonymization and chat control ideas. These just ought to fail and be rolled back. Imagining these succeed seems nearly as wild as waking up in the world where people do yakuza-style thumb cut to every naughty kid who fails to do his homework.