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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by bawolff »

rswail wrote: post #153
jeroenhd wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of assumes Microsoft has not already tried to get an exception, or that its legal team considers it likely that an exception will be granted. Various tools hosted on Github can be considered dual-use (i.e. AES/TLS libraries). Furthermore, Microsoft was made to apply sanctions against Karim Khan of the ICC for his involvement in investigating the genocide of Palestinians; I doubt Microsoft would be granted a…

> I doubt Microsoft would be granted an exception so they can serve Hamas' greatest supporter after that. "greatest"? Hardly. A charge was brought before the ICC from South Africa which required the ICC to investigate. There are much bigger supporters of Hamas, the sanctions against employees of the ICC is just the current US government flexing its retribution muscles.

This is a bit of a tangent, but its a pet peve of mine

You are mixing up ICC and ICJ. South Africa brought a case to the ICJ. This is the country equivalent of suing another country so its not really forcing ICJ to investigate so much as south africa is presenting a case which icj will decide on (eventually anyways, icj is famous for being slow).

The ICC on the other hand makes its own decisions on who to investigate/charge. Countries can file referrals to it, but the ICC prosecutor has discretion on what they want to investigate and pursue.

[Anyone who thinks the ICC likes hamas should remember that the icc also filed charges against a hamas leader too. Its difficult for them to investigate hamas because they are only allowed to charge people who are currently alive]

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by varjag »

heyheyhouhou wrote: post #192

Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. I always find amusing how the west always blames the people of the rivals "iranians", the "chinese", etc but when something is wrong with their side they blame an entity to detach themselves "the american government", "this administration", "nazi germany", etc

Uh the whole concept of collective responsibility was first applied to Germans in the aftermath of WW2.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by llmthrow0827 »

m000 wrote: post #232
47282847 wrote: post #195

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The point is that it is not YOU who is doing it. It’s about separating people from the actions of whoever is in power in their place.

The problem is that as West we (collectively) have double morality standards. We call foreign governments regimes and their leaders brutal dictators (they might as well be, that's another discussion). But then we are also eager to extract punishment (like the OP describes) from the individuals who live under the regime/dictator, and often have very limited options to act. Then we call ourselves democracies, shining e…

> Then we call ourselves democracies, shining example to all the world. But we fail to recognize our personal responsibility for the actions of our governments. Because when a warmonger, thug, wannabe dictator or international bully-extraordinaire comes into power in a democracy, we probably could have personally done a lot more to prevent it, with little fear of repercussions, and we didn't.

Really? Tell me how Americans could have voted that would have not lead to giving billions in weapons to Israel to flatten Palestine.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by waihtis »

chabska wrote: post #221
adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

One would think the finger pointing should go towards the shitty governments causing trouble and pain for their own citizens, but somehow you've managed to find an angle to blame the West.

It is truly an unthankful job being the saviour of the entire world.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by lyu07282 »

adastra22 wrote: post #152
thaumasiotes wrote: post #140

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I'm contradicting the claim. Prisoners aren't slaves. They could be enslaved, but they aren't. They are never sold into slavery and almost never compelled to do any work. This is the opposite of being "literal slaves". They are literally not slaves. ...unless you believe that before the 17th century, everyone in the world was literally a slave? It was legal to enslave them too.

3/4 of prisoners in the US endure forced labor according to the ACLU: https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploit...

It's incredible that anyone can read this and argue against it, how did we loose our humanity? There is no empathy, it's frightening. The capacity to do horrific things in the near future is here.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tsimionescu »

Keirmot wrote: post #254
chabska wrote: post #221

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> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

Sanctions have a theoretical basis behind them. In the Western Political Philosophical Canon, leaders and elites are expected to strive for the Common Good. From that perspective, sanctions aren’t meant as “torture for fun,” (as you put it) but as a way of creating pressure so governments change their behavior without having to resort to war. They’re basically a tool to raise the cost of bad actions and make it more…

The poster above was pointing out that this is a double standard. You don't expect a US citizen to risk their livelihood to help an Iranian, but you then expect an Iranian citizen to risk their livelihood AND life to topple a regime that is doing things that the USA doesn't like.

So, you either take personal responsibility for enforcing sanctions yourself, or you admit that sanctions are a form of collective punishment for no reason. You can't have it both ways.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by ivell »

Keirmot wrote: post #254
chabska wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody should be expected to take that risk I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries like Iran, Cuba, and North Korea, with the justification that by making their citizens lives horrific, you encourage them to rise against their government. Their authoritarian militaristic government that doesn't care for human rights…

Sanctions have a theoretical basis behind them. In the Western Political Philosophical Canon, leaders and elites are expected to strive for the Common Good. From that perspective, sanctions aren’t meant as “torture for fun,” (as you put it) but as a way of creating pressure so governments change their behavior without having to resort to war. They’re basically a tool to raise the cost of bad actions and make it more…

The leadership of countries under sanctions rarely change their behavior due to sanctions. However the effect on the population of the countries is that they turn against the countries applying the sanctions. It becomes easier for the leaders to sell the sanctions to their populace as the enemy action. If the West is expecting any revolution due to sanctions, I have not seen it.

However, sanctions do have a symbolic value. And I also can't think of anything else short of military action to express displeasure.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by onraglanroad »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #182
adastra22 wrote: post #152

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3/4 of prisoners in the US endure forced labor according to the ACLU: https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploit...

That link doesn't say 3/4 of prisoners. It says 3/4 of incarcerated workers. Incarcerated nonworkers aren't counted at all. It also doesn't say that they report being compelled to work. It says they receive benefits from working that they don't receive without working. The fact that voluntary workers get their sentences reduced doesn't convert them into involuntary workers.

You're both wrong about the number of prisoners. The link clearly states 2/3 of prisoners are workers and 3/4 of them report being compelled to work. That works out at 1/2 of all prisoners.

Trying to spin this as benefits is...odd:

"they are required to work or face additional punishment such as solitary confinement, denial of opportunities to reduce their sentence, and loss of family visitation."

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