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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by mynameisvlad »

foobarian wrote: post #253
ModernMech wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't disagree on the characterization of the technical details, then you must realize how very fair it is for us to criticize the system for failing in the exact way it's predicted to fail. We don't need 1000 more trials to know that the system is technically flawed.

What if there is no debris the other 999 times, and the system works fine? The video does not give me that information as a prospective Tesla customer. This looks like a fluke to me.

Those 999 other times, the system might work fine for the first 60 miles.

This is a cross-country trip. LA to New York is 2776 miles without charging. It crashed the first time in the first 2% of the journey. And not a small intervention or accident either.

How you could possibly see this as anything other than FSD being a total failure is beyond me.

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Post by rkomorn »

dmix wrote: post #246
rkomorn wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying "they let the car drive on its own but were still paying attention"? Not sure how to take this reply.

That a human was still in the loop in addition to a computer and both missed it.

But that's not what happened.

They saw it, called it out, and very deliberately let the car (not) deal with it because that was the point of what they were doing.

They did not "miss" anything.

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Post by guywithahat »

motiw wrote: post #59

Would lidar detect such debris?

It would depend on how dense the point cloud is, however at 100ft I'm guessing the resolution for something like waymo would be on the order of 10-20cm, which would suggest it wouldn't be able to detect it (at a minimum it wouldn't know its height, and thus it wouldn't know if it's a piece of paper or a steel box). My guess is it also wouldn't know until it's right on top of it

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Post by dragonwriter »

q3k wrote: post #82
thefourthchime wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, people call it in and cops clean it up. We just have a lot of roads and people that poorly packed stuff in trucks

... cops? There's no, like, highway traffic authority with their own maintenance force to take care of this?

There usually nominally is, and they may do some of the work, but overfunding law enforcement and then having them cover work that should have been done by other agencies that whose funding has been limited by the drive to stuff more money into LE is a pretty common pattern for US state and local governments.

But also the dominance of car culture in the US is such that the principal state police force may actually be principally designed as a component of the highway traffic authority, as is the cass in California where the Highway Patrol was always larger than and in 1995 absorbed the State Police.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

pmontra wrote: post #62
agildehaus wrote: post #30

A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

Those humans saw the debris. What happens next when a human is actively at the wheel is that the driver should look at all mirrors, decide whether to change lane or brake, execute. Or anything else that could lead to a movie like multiple car accident. Hitting the debris is the least dangerous line of conduct if there are cars all around. That looked like an empty road but who knows. By the way, playing a lot of raci…

I highly recommend people take a high performance/race driving course if they can. I did a single day one which involved high speed maneuverability trials designed to be useful in emergency scenarios (swerving, braking, hard turns) followed by a few laps around a racetrack.

It's one of the best ways to figure out what it feels like to drive at the limits of your car and how you and it react in a very safe and controlled environment.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

dmix wrote: post #163
tptacek wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans routinely drive from LA to NYC without wrecking their cars. In fact, that's the normal outcome.

I'd imagine the highway doesn't normally have a debris that's nearly the same color of the surface of a highway.

I wonder if a non-visual sensor could make the distinction.

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Post by xeromal »

gdulli wrote: post #2

I thought the title meant the software crashed, but it was the car that crashed: "They didn’t make it out of California without crashing into easily avoidable road debris that badly damaged the Tesla Model Y ... In the video, you can see that the driver doesn’t have his hands on the steering wheel. The passenger spots the debris way ahead of time. There was plenty of time to react, but the driver didn’t get his hands…

They were aware of the debris but intervening would lessen the impact of the video. I'm glad they didn't intervene. This is a bad look for FSD.

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Post by georgemcbay »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

> One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly.

On one hand, I agree with you that this is maddening.

On the other hand this is, as the kids would say, "the meta" in 202X for business and politics.

Lying at scale and never taking responsibility for anything obviously works exceptionally well, and not just for Elon. I wish it didn't, but it does.

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Post by rhetocj23 »

panick21_ wrote: post #195
lm28469 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Success being defined here as "something that makes numbers go up in some capacity"

Well in the same measure of success that we use for every company.

No. They are proxies. But not the truest measures of success.
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