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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by [deleted] »

hu3 wrote: post #121
nchmy wrote: post #102

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if they dont do this, there wont be an opportunity for another case..

Well that is an urgency that Deno folks created. So it seems the deed is done. > After more than 27,000 people signed our open letter to Oracle about the “JavaScript” trademark, we filed a formal Cancellation Petition with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Ten months in, we’re finally reaching the crucial discovery phase. - Ryan Dahl You can't make this up. If I was Larry Ellison I would be calling Deno folks perso…

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by shmerl »

JavaScript should have been LiveScript if I recall correctly. It was a mistake to put Java in its name, but now everyone has to deal with the fallout. Oracle is still wrong here, but original intent why it didn't end up being LiveScript was to ride on the popularity of Java.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by FearNotDaniel »

riazrizvi wrote: post #218
thw_9a83c wrote: post #181

The name "JavaScript" was silly to begin with, just a way to make the buzzword "Java" more popular. Let's call it WebScript and move on.

Why not “JS”? Then we can all take sides in a religious war on whether it’s pronounced jay-ess, jayce, juss, or jess?

It’s pronounced gay-ess. Just like GIF.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

NickC25 wrote: post #226
ForHackernews wrote: post #162

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It's effective. I feel positively about anyone willing to take Oracle to court.

I hope this is sarcasm. Larry Ellison is now the wealthiest person on earth and Oracle is an incredibly litigious rent-seeking law firm masquerading as a tech company. Good luck and godspeed to anyone with the balls to think that taking them on is a good idea.

I think you misread the comment you're replying to as "I think their chances are good", rather than "I think it speaks well of their character". The latter was how I read it, and I believe the intended meaning.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by whatamidoingyo »

NetMageSCW wrote: post #237
whatamidoingyo wrote: post #117

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The company that took a screenshot of the nodejs website and used it as evidence for their claim of the trademark? The company that had absolutely nothing to do with nodejs? Ohh.

I didn’t know nodejs existed in 1995?

In 2019, when Oracle renewed the "JavaScript" trademark with the USPTO, they were required to provide evidence of the trademark's "use in commerce." Oracle thought they'd just lazily screenshot the nodejs.org website and use that as part of their evidence, which is absurd.

If normal people did this, they'd probably be sitting in jail.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

nchmy wrote: post #132
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #116

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Indeed. I once had a former friend say something to the effect of "I wish there were a candidate who had a healthy balance of libertarian values and compassion". I asked him how he reconciles those to diametrically-opposed concepts and he grumbled and we're no longer friends.

I somehow suspect that the reason you aren't friends any more is because you as much as said he lacks compassion. If I had a friend who said that about me, and then refused to apologize for insulting me in that way, I don't know if I would stay friends with them either. It's especially ironic that you are acting in a very uncompassionate way here, while accusing others of not having compassion.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by sokoloff »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #136
Illniyar wrote: post #42

I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…

> If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. I think the order here is reversed: If you ask the public for money, it's fair to perform a public service. If you just do something you wanted to do anyways, and probably would have done anyways, then it might be viewed as less-than-charitable to ask others for money to help you achieve your goal for yourself (even if other people might benefi…

> I think the order here is reversed: If you ask the public for money, it's fair to perform a public service. If you just do something you wanted to do anyways, and probably would have done anyways, then it might be viewed as less-than-charitable to ask others for money to help you achieve your goal for yourself (even if other people might benefit somewhat too).

I don't think it's reversed.

I coach a high school robotics team (volunteer, unpaid) and last season I went into my pocket for an unknown amount of money, but was not less than $5K and probably closer to $7K.

I'm clearly going to do it anyway; is it wrong for me to go out and seek sponsorships for the team so I don't have to dig quite as deep into my own pocket?

I don't think it's even the tiniest bit wrong nor in any way less-than-charitable.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by NickC25 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #265
NickC25 wrote: post #226

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I hope this is sarcasm. Larry Ellison is now the wealthiest person on earth and Oracle is an incredibly litigious rent-seeking law firm masquerading as a tech company. Good luck and godspeed to anyone with the balls to think that taking them on is a good idea.

I think you misread the comment you're replying to as "I think their chances are good", rather than "I think it speaks well of their character". The latter was how I read it, and I believe the intended meaning.

Fair point - apologies for the confusion.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by sokoloff »

nchmy wrote: post #132
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #116

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Indeed. I once had a former friend say something to the effect of "I wish there were a candidate who had a healthy balance of libertarian values and compassion". I asked him how he reconciles those to diametrically-opposed concepts and he grumbled and we're no longer friends.

Libertarian values are 0.0% in conflict with compassionate acts. They are in conflict with compelled compassionate acts.
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