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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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> And let's find a war where clauses I, II, and III do not apply When these clauses apply against civilian populations, they are war crimes or crimes against Humanity, or both.

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I don't see the corollary here.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

For me, this is meaningful because for the first time a legitimate international body is calling this a genocide. Previously, it’s been activists and claims that this might be genocide. I haven’t read the report yet. But I will, and I intend to leave my mind open as to whether this raises the profile of this war in my mind relative to domestic issues.

Go read this UNHCR report. All the evidence is just circular references to other bodies who reference each other. The most damning thing they could pin on Israel was that "Israel admits 83% of the casualties are civilians". That idea was because Israel could name 17% of the casualties in Hamas registers as members of the organization. But assuming that every other casualty is a civilian is quite a stretch. For one thing, Israel doesn't know the name of every militant it kills while he's aiming an RPG at them. For another, there are many other militant organizations in the strip, notably the Islamic Jihad. For a third, typically 75% - 90% of the casualties of war are civilians by the UN's own numbers.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy. Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.

Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be? They're the leaders of a terrorist organization. The US takes out terrorists wherever they may be (or, works with local authorities to get them first). But, when local authorities are siding with the terrorists, we go in there and do it ourselves. October 7th was Israel's 9/11 - we went and got bin Laden in Pakistan, without dealing with the Pakistani gov…

There was only one bin Laden, and we didn't use missiles for that one.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Antisemitism is back, with its nasty conspiracy theories, jews as baby killers, controlling the world, involved in any news item. Good thing Zionism was invented exactly to counter that.

Everyone here is talking about Israel, even the person with the wild comment about Epstein and Kirk.

It is common for a minority of people to say similarly wild things about the US, Russia, China, and so on.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

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What you are describing is collective punishment.

It is a war crime.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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What stat are you using for current Palestinian population during this conflict? Any good estimate of the deaths to hunger over the next few years? I don't believe that the charges in the report require success either way, but it would help with your statistics.

Even according to Hamas own numbers, 60,000 Palestinians died, 200 from starvation. That's very low compared to real genocides. That's very low considering Israel killed an estimated 10,000 of Hamas soldiers. That's pretty good accuracy in all modern standards of war.

According to Wikipedia between 25 and 33 thousand Bosnians and Croats were killed in the Bosnian genocide. Thus your argument doesn't hold, unless you contend that there was no genocide in Bosnia either.

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It can either end in the death of one side, most probably Palestinians, or in peace agreement. Currently there is war, peace is out of the window. First step is to stop the war, second step is to make both side actually negotiate. It was attempted by Clinton a while ago but assassinations from mossad and hamas prevented the process to success. To be honest, politicians have failed us too many times for my sad brain t…

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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While you do have points that these UN bodies do seem to sleep more often than not, one should never, under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happening in Gaza aren't crimes against humanity. A friend of mine is in the Red Cross staff, they had more than 20 casualties since 2021 in Palestine. Their staff was literally shot at because they were doctors. It's sickening.

> under any circumstance attempt to suggest that what's happening in Gaza aren't crimes against humanity

I mean I don't think anyone will argue it's good but "crimes against humanity" is certainly a massive exaggeration.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly. Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Net…

Why would we expect any desirable outcome in this hypothetical though? So the US flips, Israel is pressured into withdrawing, Hamas regains control of the strip and resumes rocket attacks, Israel is forced to respond eventually. It doesn't seem like a path toward a real solution.

Israel needs to take a more precise approach to getting rid of Hamas.
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