Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

governor.state.nm.us

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

261–270 of 695 posts

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#261

Post by jjk166 »

bluGill wrote: post #136
dzink wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on how they structure the childcare, women who want to stay with their kids can be childcare providers at one of the centers, so they take care of not just their kids but also others. Similar to the Israeli Kibbutz system.

One of the reasons to care for your own kids is you can give them individual attention. Unless you have so many kids that you are only caring for your own anyway your plan diverts their attention away to other kids (or those other kids get less attention)

The argument is that stay at home parents should get the same credit as childcare providers because they perform the same service to society. If you're only caring for your own kids, you are providing significantly less to society than those caring for many kids. You want to focus on raising your own kids, that's fine, but do it on your dime.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#262

Post by lenerdenator »

dzink wrote: post #12

This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

There are more important things women - and other people - can do than simply grow the economy.

One of the reasons you must have a two-income household to be economically middle-class in most American metros now is because two-income households became the norm. When I was growing up 25-30 years ago, that made you comfortable. Then people realized that there was "untapped" value in that extra income and raised prices accordingly. If you're looking to buy the things that make up the "American Dream", you are now competing to buy against people who are willing to throw two incomes at the problem.

Now that there are two incomes, the only way to grow is to start shedding other things that keep people from creating more value for their employers. Kids, home improvement, community involvement, all are - or have been - going by the wayside.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#263

Post by pbhjpbhj »

hedora wrote: post #166
ceejayoz wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The more broadly you spread the money, the less benefit each person receives. But this is true in the other direction, too. Means testing costs money, time, and ensures some needy folks fall off the program. For example, Florida did drug testing as a condition for welfare benefits... and it cost more than they saved. https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-savings-found-in-fl...

It’s a red state, so the goal was probably to waste as much welfare money as possible, while also reducing benefits. They’re doing this on the federal level now. Most popular government programs have been cut or sabotaged, and as a result the debt is increasing by $4T.

Well, it's not wasting money when you redirect it to a drug-testing company your friends own.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#264

Post by nemomarx »

KetoManx64 wrote: post #258
dzink wrote: post #12

This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

You don't understand how economics work if you think this is actually going to be helpful. By providing "universal" child care, you just moved the cost of childcare from the individual to the tax base so now everyone has to pay an ineffifient system that often eats up 30-50% of the incoming money in bureaucratic inneficiencies before it will even reach the child care system. On top of that the increased taxes are goi…

You could say all of this about public schooling, but that one worked out.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#266

Post by reliabilityguy »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #192
dzink wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would solve a lot of Republican’s problems as well. Israel has the kibbutz system and they have the highest birth rate of developed economies. They also have amazing tech and women participation and excellent contributions even in the military. If you raise the country’s children well, you get more GDP and less prisons and less need for policing, and less need for welfare programs. Plus you get quality workers f…

[flagged]

what does it mean “fake country”?

What is the test one can use to determine a “real” country?

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#267

Post by throwawayqqq11 »

palmfacehn wrote: post #212
dzink wrote: post #12

This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

Worker productivity has consistently increased, yet workers are struggling to support their families or delaying having a family, because they cannot meet the cost of living. Instead of looking towards the inflation of the monetary base as a driver of price inflation, families are supposed to let the state raise their children. Pricing parents out of the house and into the workforce is instead marketed as "liberation…

And what choice do you have regarding rising cost of living?

There are many public services we already rely on and there are many countries that offer free child care already in some form. What you call (forced) liberation is just societal specialization and not bad per se.

Focusing on fiscal/wage issues is a big and important topic though. I bet over time, budget hawks will reduce this public service like others and like in many other countries too. We are so many humans on our plentyful earth, we could achieve many things, yet, "we" lack money.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#268

Post by potato3732842 »

lagniappe wrote: post #243
potato3732842 wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worse. Not just a "stranger" but a subset of strangers running "real businesses". I would rather my kid be raised by a) spouse b) grandparents c) no-habla cash only daycare (who are catering to customers who's average values are much closer to mine than an above the table business). Only after all those options are exhausted do I look toward a "real business". So basically this is a subsidy of the 4th place option.

>no-habla cash only daycare Yo, what the fuck HN?

You send your kid to the daycare run by foreigners to learn a language.

I send my kid to the daycare run by foreigners to learn cultural values.

WeAreNotTheSame.jpg

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#269

Post by CGMthrowaway »

Sounds great.

>average annual family savings of $12,000 per child.

How is NM paying for this? They currently have a 'D' grade from Truth in Accounting[1] with a $9.8 billion debt burden driven by unfunded obligations of pension and retiree health care

[1]https://www.truthinaccounting.org/library/doclib/NM-2020-2pa...

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

#270

Post by shafyy »

dzink wrote: post #12

This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

> I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow

I know you are meaning well, but while the economy growing can be a nice side effect of this (and probably is), I always find it a bit sad when economic profit is used as a reason to justify to create a more fair and equal society.

It's similar with those studies showing hiring a diverse workforce is actually good for your business. It might be, but, like, it's also the right thing to do to not discriminate against minorities.

Post reply on HN