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Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by al_borland »

lemming wrote: post #249
al_borland wrote: post #167

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In my experience, once it starts telling me I’m right, we’re already going downhill and it rarely gets better from there.

Yeah, I want a feature which stops my agent as soon as it says anything even vaguely like: "let me try another approach". Right after that is when the wheels start falling off, tests get deleted, etc. That phrase is a sure sign the agent should (but never does) ask me for guidance.

I’ve found even giving guidance at this point doesn’t help, as it fundamentally doesn’t get it.

I was down one of these rabbit holes with it once while having it write a relatively simple bash script. Something I had written by hand previously in Python, but wanted a bash version and also wanted to see what AI could do.

It was 98% there, but couldn’t get that last 2% to save its life. Eventually I went through the code myself, found the bug, and I told it exactly what the bug was and where it was at; it was an off-by-one error. Even when spoon feeding it, it couldn’t fix it and I ended up doing it myself just to get it over with.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by tomhow »

jennyholzer wrote: post #183
zahlman wrote: post #89

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> Not only is that a weird presumption about my ostensible insecurities on your end I'm not GP but I agree that it isn't universal, nor especially healthy or productive, to have the response you describe to being told that your issue is common. It would make sense if you could e.g. hear the insincerity in a person's tone of voice, but Gemini outputs text and the concept of sincerity is irrelevant to a computer progra…

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Please stop this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by peepee1982 »

kuschku wrote: post #119
peepee1982 wrote: post #103

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This sounds like a contrarian troll question. Every tool we use has an effect on our attitudes in many subtle and sometimes not so subtle ways. It's one of the reasons so many of us are obsessed with tools.

> This sounds like a contrarian troll question. See the sibling comment regarding my motivations for this question > It's one of the reasons so many of us are obsessed with tools. That's answering another question I never really understood. So you choose tools based on the vibe they give you, because you want to get into a certain mood to do certain things?

I choose tools based on many reason. But the vibe they give me has a lot of weight, yes.

Another example: if you give me two programming fonts to choose from that are both reasonably legible, I'll have a strong preferance for one over the other. And if I know I'm free to use my favorite programming font, I'll be more motivated to tackle a programming problem that I don't really feel like tackling because I'd rather tackler some other problem.

If the programming problem itself is interesting enough to pull me towards it, the programming font will have less of an effect on me.

Do you see where I'm going with this? A lot of little things pile up every day, each one influencing our decisions in small ways. Recognizing those things and becoming aware of them lets us - over time and many tiny adjustments - change our environment in ways that reduces friction and is conducive to our enjoyment of day-to-day life.

It's not that I necessarily won't be doing something because I'm unable to do it exactly the way I enjoy most. It'll just be more draining because now I have to put in more effort to get myself going and stay focused on the task.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by _9ptr »

jennyholzer wrote: post #181
blinding-streak wrote: post #40

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I don't think that's Gemini's problem necessarily. You shouldn't be so insecure.

the machine is always right. adjust your feelings to align with the output of the machine.

I for one welcome our new machine overlords

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by CjHuber »

jcul wrote: post #224
CjHuber wrote: post #154

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really? it left a bad aftertaste for me

It's not that it's a fake number. They are saying the number is real, just it goes to current_value - 1, and then current value to indicate the value is updating live. Not sure if that was clear. Edit: I don't know if it's a real number but that's the claim in the comment above at least

I understand, it’s not about the number itself. My first thought when I opened the page was wow there was a update coincidentally right when I opened it. When refreshing again I felt like wtf I was being mislead

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by steveklabnik »

Aeolun wrote: post #247
steveklabnik wrote: post #223

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I haven't read this particular code, I did some analysis of various prompts it uses, I didn't hear about anything specific like this. Mostly wanted to say "it's at least possible to dig into it if you'd like," not that I had the answer directly.

Couldn’t you have claude itself de-minify it?

Maybe. It’s not something I have enough of an interest in to out the time into trying it out.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by unkeen »

exoverito wrote: post #253
unkeen wrote: post #129

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I'm afraid reasons for breakups (and relationships in general) are not quite that simple.

Perhaps, yet your comments are quite simple, indicating you are not up to the task of understanding these matters.

Why the ad hominem? It seems like you are one of the men unable to stand corrected, funnily enough for this thread.

Re: I'm absolutely right

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Post by handsclean »

yoavfr wrote: post #8
latexr wrote: post #4

As I opened the website, the “16” changed to “17”. This looked interesting, as if the data were being updated live just as I loaded the page. Alas, a refresh (and quick check in the Developer Tools) reveals it’s fake and always does the transition. It’s a cool effect, but feels like a dirty trick.

Sorry if that felt dirty - I thought about it as a signal that the data is live (it is!).

I think the problem is people’s priors. This isn’t the first time we’re seeing data fake-arrive like this, and virtually always it’s done either to fake liveness or to lie about rate of change. So, it comes to mean not “live”, but “fake”, even though nefarious motives don’t make much sense in this fun context.

It’s a shame, I think it’s a clever thought, and it doesn’t feel great when good intentions are met with an assumption of maliciousness.

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