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Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by johnisgood »

pell wrote: post #154
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

In my experience Claude is quite good at the popular stacks in the JavaScript, Python and PHP world. It struggled quite a bit when I asked it non-trivial questions in C or Rust for example. For smaller languages (e.g., Crystal) it seems to hallucinate a lot. I think since a lot of people work in JS, Python and PHP, that’s where Claude is very valuable and that’s where a lot of the praise feel justified too.

Feed it Crystal documentation and example code. That is what I did with more obscure programming languages and it worked out well in the end.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by baq »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

> What am I doing wrong? Or is this really the state of the art?

You're treating the tool like it was an oracle. The correct way is to treat it as a somewhat autistic junior dev: give it examples and process to follow, tell it to search the web, read the docs, how to execute tests. Especially important is either directly linking or just copy pasting any and all relevant documentation.

The tool has a lossily compressed knowledge database of the public internet and lots of books. You want to fix the relevant lossy parts in the context. The less popular something is, the more context will be needed to fill the gaps.

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yokoprime wrote: post #193
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

CoPilot isn't anything Microsoft is trying to sell outside of their own products. And with GitHub Copilot there is no "copilot" model to choose, you can choose between Anthropic, OpenAI and Google models. Sure UWP never caught on, but you know why? Win32, which by the way is also Microsoft, was way to popular and more flexible. Devs weren't going to re-write their apps to UWP in order to support phones.

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by oarsinsync »

LinuxAmbulance wrote: post #220
kennywinker wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off by about 33,999,998 users, but still a decent dunk. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/06/apple-now-has-ove...

34 million developers? That number doesn't even pass a basic sniff test. Are there 34 million people that have Xcode installed? That I can believe.

> At Apple's World Wide Developer Conference on Monday, Tim Cook mentioned that there are now 34 million registered developers with the company's platform.

I think that means either:

  * they have revenues of $3.4b/year just from the $100 annual fees, or
  * some decent percentage of people have signed up for a free developer account and then never done anything with it (like me)

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by johnisgood »

bakugo wrote: post #187
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

What you're doing wrong is that you're asking it for something more complicated than babby's first webapp in javascript/python. When people say things like "I told Claude what I wanted and it did it all on the first try!", that's what they mean. Basic web stuff that that is already present in the model's training data in massive volumes, so it has no issue recreating it. No matter how much AI fanatics try to convince…

What they are not capable of is replacing YOU, the human who is supposed to be part of the whole process (incl. architectural). I do not think that this is a limitation. In fact, I like being part of the process.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by yycettesi »

armadyl wrote: post #85
throwawa14223 wrote: post #8

It's getting harder to find IDEs that properly boycott LLMs.

If you're on macOS there's Code Edit as a native solution (fully open source, not VC backed, MIT licensed), but it's currently in active development: https://www.codeedit.app/ . Otherwise there's VSCodium which is what I'm using until I can make the jump to Code Edit.

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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

rajnathani wrote: post #199
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

About GitHub Copilot in specific: One big negative was how when GPT-4 became available that Microsoft didn't upgrade paying Copilot users to it, they simply branded this "coming soon"/"beta" Copilot X for a while. We simply cancelled the only Copilot subscription we had at work.

Copilot subscription?

I've been getting monthly emails that my free access for GitHub Copilot has been renewed for another month… for years. I've never used it, I thought that all GitHub users got it for free.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by lm28469 »

not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

The only way I manage to get any benefits from LLMs is to use them as an interactive rubber duck.

Dump your thoughts in a somewhat arranged manner, tell it about your plan, the current status, the end goal, &c. After that tell it to write 0 code for now but to ask questions and find gaps in your plan. 30% of it will be bullshit but the rest is somewhat useable. Then you can ask for some code but if you care about quality or consistency with you existing code base you probably will have to rewrite half of it, and that's if the code works in the first place

Garbage in garbage out is true for training but it's also true for interactions

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