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Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by saltcured »

petralithic wrote: post #210
fooqux wrote: post #175

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I read what you wrote, and it seems to me you think these two things are equal: A human using their creativity to create a painting showcasing a statement about war. A human asking AI to create a painting showcasing a statement about war. I do not wish to use strawmen tactics. So I'll ask if you think the above is equal and true.

Is a banana taped to a wall "art?" Your answer to that is the answer to your question.

And, is the artist the one who taped it, the one who told them to tape it, or the one who created the banana?

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by petralithic »

rsoto2 wrote: post #231
petralithic wrote: post #53

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I've talked to people like this and when you dig deep enough, it's a fear of the economic effects of it, not actually any strongly held belief of AI inherently not being intelligent or emotional. Similarly, and I'm speaking generally here, ask artists about coding AI and they won't care, and ask programmers about media generation AI and they also won't care. That's because AI outside their domain does not (ostensibly…

I care because it's outright theft. That's what AI companies do and what you are an accessory to. AI is not intelligent or emotional. It's not a "strongly held belief" it simply hasn't been proven.

It's as much theft as piracy is.

> AI is not intelligent or emotional.

Yes, I agree, my point is that people use arguments against these types of issues instead of stating plainly that their livelihood will be threatened. Just say it'll take your job and that's why you're mad, I don't understand why so many people try to dance around this issue and make it seem like it's some disagreement about the technology rather than economics.

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Post by AlotOfReading »

petralithic wrote: post #164
AlotOfReading wrote: post #155

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This is a debate that existed long before LLMs with things like action painting. If I give you a Jackson Pollock and a piece from someone who randomly splattered paint on a canvas until it looked like Jackson Pollock, are they the same?

Same in what sense? That is the real question, and perhaps not even the important one when it comes to art. Because, if the Pollock is more "important," there is an implication that it's better because it's by a more famous person, while art should be able to come from anywhere and anyone.

The same in whatever sense you want to compare the art rather than the creators. Pollocks try to convey the action and emotion of the creation process. Our hypothetical copycat lacks that higher level meaning, even though they've created an otherwise similar physical product.

As an aside:

    ...art should be able to come from anywhere and anyone.
is an immensely political view (and one I happen to agree with). It's not a view shared by all artists, or their art. Ancient art in particular often assumes that the highest forms of art require divine inspiration that isn't accessible to everyone. It's common for epic poetry to invoke muses as a callback to this assumption, nominally to show the author's humility. John Milton's Paradise Lost does this (and reframes the muse within a Christian hierarchy at the same time), although it doesn't come off as remotely humble.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by siliconsorcerer »

utyop22 wrote: post #203
siliconsorcerer wrote: post #98

I really appreciate the tone of this article, and honestly I was an "AI hater" as well. I honestly just don't think it makes sense any more. Almost everything in this article is making a valid point, AI is being pushed by the powers that be that have absolutely no regard for the masses and how this is going to affect society. But I fail to see how that is different than any other time or any other technology in histo…

I don't think people themselves can be trusted to collectively have a moral compass. You need institutions and other mechanisms to bring and fix this within society.

I agree, and actually I should have clarified that the government and our elected officials are responsible for that and they’re failing.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

petralithic wrote: post #230
jacquesm wrote: post #162

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Because it is mimicking human input. Effectively you are getting a mixture of many pieces of artwork that humans made distilled down into some sloppy new one that was made without feeling, purpose or skill and that can be described by its prompt, a few kilobytes at best. Original human art can only be approximated but never captured with 100% fidelity regardless of the bitrate, that is what makes it unique to begin w…

Haven't these arguments been the same since Stable Diffusion came out? Someone (A) will say what you said, then someone else (B) will say, well humans remix as well, A: no that's different because we're humans not machines, B: there is no need to prefer a biological substrate over a silicon one; A: AI will produce the same result over and over, B: not if you change the temperature and randomize the seed. It's tiresom…

Don't also forget:

A: but AI only interpolates between training points, it can't extrapolate to anything new.

B: sure it can, d'uh.

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Post by modeless »

AlexeyBrin wrote: post #260
modeless wrote: post #247

Real crab bucket mentality here. We live in an age of wonders, literally the best time in human history to be alive, sci-fi turning to reality as we are on the brink of huge advances in space exploration, computation, robotics, biology, you name it. No matter how good things get there will always be people filled with this sort of rage, but what bothers me is how badly this site wants to upvote this stuff. HN is supp…

Have you considered that some of the people that are against AI are worried about a potential loss in the human experience like AI replacing writers, painters and thinkers or at least diluting the human output with a sea of mediocre AI output ? I'm not saying that they are right or wrong, but you should at least respect their right to have their own opinions and fears instead of pointing to an illusory appropriate co…

I didn't make up that stuff about what HN is for. It's straight from the official HN guidelines. They're linked at the bottom of every page. There is nothing illusory about the lack of appropriateness of this content.

An interesting discussion about issues like that could be had. This ain't it.

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Post by petralithic »

saltcured wrote: post #261
petralithic wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is a banana taped to a wall "art?" Your answer to that is the answer to your question.

And, is the artist the one who taped it, the one who told them to tape it, or the one who created the banana?

It's the person who had the idea to do so and did so. AI doesn't do anything you don't tell it to, it is the banana creator in this case. It is still up to you to get the best looking banana you can then display it.

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Post by magicalist »

modeless wrote: post #247

Real crab bucket mentality here. We live in an age of wonders, literally the best time in human history to be alive, sci-fi turning to reality as we are on the brink of huge advances in space exploration, computation, robotics, biology, you name it. No matter how good things get there will always be people filled with this sort of rage, but what bothers me is how badly this site wants to upvote this stuff. HN is supp…

Eh, it's not a great article, but I prefer the balance of it being present. FWIW I feel seemingly the opposite, that there are way too many posts here filled with comments by AI startup CEOs or comments copied from r/singularity circa February. It seems equally boring and nontechnical as what you describe.

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Post by ch4s3 »

visarga wrote: post #180

Our society would break down without language. Without math there would be much fewer people because we would not be able to have large cities and commerce. Without technology we can't manage anymore. The moral? It's always been an unbalanced society tumbling into the future. Even if AI has both downsides and upsides we will still make it a part of us. Consider the scale - 1B people chatting for the likes of 1T token…

> - it is at its core a fascist technology rooted in the ideology of supremacy - LOL, generalizing Grok to all LLMs?

Yeah, "statistics is fascism" - Umberto Eco (probably)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

turzmo wrote: post #211
dpoloncsak wrote: post #122

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The last time we saw a bet from Wall St like we are seeing with AI, was when they bet on the internet. Do you still use the internet?

Maybe a better generalization, the last time [bubble] happened, do you still use [bubble]? Depends on the nature of the bubble, doesn't it?

Indeed. Therefore, the past bubbles most similar to AI are the one around Internet, and the earlier one around electricity.
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