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Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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> Maybe spend more time researching than hating and you'll end up with a more factual state of the world. The comment you were replying to was the kind of dismissal we want to avoid on HN, but we need you to avoid swipes like this on HN. The comment would been fine without that last line. Please try to observe the guidelines, especially these ones: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Ed…

The first comment quite clearly started the incivility

Sure, I've penalized that comment and will reply.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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> 4000x worse

You cannot compare using a technical metric a geofenced pre-mapped self driving technology and a general self driving technology. You can hate on their dishonest marketing all you like, but this is disingenuous.

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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It is fantastically optimistic to attribute Teslas horrific stats to the cars being speedy For instance the model y had a fatality rate of 10.6 per billion vehicle miles 4x the average. Its also seems unreasonable to suppose that they are poorly suited to survive a crash as this doesn't seem to be indicated. A more logical conclusion is that a box with a giant flashing distracting tablet in the center which lies and…

Teslas also tend to attract people who hate driving and are bad at it. Yes, this is anecdotal, but - several friends and acquaintances said something along the lines of "my Tesla is the best, self-driving helps so much, I hate driving and I can't wait for them to fully automate it". I wonder if segregating bad drivers into a separate population affects those fatality statistics.

When a car across all users has more deaths one should simply assume it is less safe. Nobody makes these bullshit excuses for any other car.

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It's impressive someone would be pissed enough for some reason to put effort to spread such a false image as you are.

Robotaxi has been in service a fraction of the time as Waymo has. And the "4000x" figure is absolutely ridiculous, I'd maybe believe 2x at best given I've seen LONG drives with Robotaxi and common FSD while Waymos get stuck / park badly around them. For both, the interventions are done remotely and I bet a lot of Waymo's ones especially are made "secretly". This while Waymo easier decides to do things like parking in middle of road instead of invoking an intervention, and has basically zero scaling prospects compared to Tesla, for which, every Tesla on the road becoming a robotaxi on the owner's command is not actually inconvincible for hw4+ cars in some years.

Neuralink "being 5x slower" sounds hardly believable in real life too, as I've seen their webgrid demo, ran it myself, and seen other people only get fractionally better scores than the person using neuralink with no limbic activity. And "5x faster" means little if the device is not practical, something Neuralink has seemingly put more effort to than others combined. Impracticability especially questions the quality of the data as its probably more "lab-like" while Neuralink patients can just navigate to benchmarks themselves on their own time and run them for fun, obivously with the utility of Neuralink.

Elon truly does lead Tesla and SpaceX, while being in a key role at Neuralink too. If you ever look at some of their demonstrations, he defers a lot to his employees for specific features/demonstrations. It is media's own issue that they hyperfocus on Elon, probably for keyword clicks.

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Things have costs so we should be ok with a society where the wealthy exploit poor and desperate people?

This is the forum for a VC-funded startup accelerator, so yes, the implicit belief you hold if you're posting here is supposed to be "VCs deserve money, i.e. the wealthy deserve more wealth, and I will help them get there".

It's not exactly the same as "so we should exploit the poor and desperate", but that is one of the pitches VCs like the most.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Love to see it. Wonder if Neuralink ever comes up with less invasive tech that could be used for fun like Emotiv EPOC, but even if they don't, maybe getting one implanted will be as normal as getting a tattoo or a piercing give some years. Because I see this being desirable for "normal" people pretty much already!

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Things have costs so we should be ok with a society where the wealthy exploit poor and desperate people?

The supposedly cynical comment above talks about giving quadriplegic people a reliable way to control computers for <$100k, something that was science fiction before. Is this what you call exploitation of the poor and desperate by the wealthy? You have to finance things somehow, or they won't be done at all.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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I think that the negativity here is unfortunate. The reality is that it’s very hard to see a normal VC level return on the $100M+ Elon and friends have invested here. And don’t let anyone fool you - this is the fundamental reason the BCI field has moved slowly. If Neuralink proceeds to a scenario where quadriplegic patients can get reliable (ie lifelong) control of their computers for less than $100k that will be a h…

Companies like this going under is a horror story for the patients I've seen playing out a few times. But I honestly can't see something as public and well-funded having the same fate. "Elon Musk losing interest" isn't really something I see likely as he doesn't function in the money-oriented ways pretty much almost all other billionaire-types do. He loves the tech and the ideals, and Neuralink is past the point of ever being potentially a dud
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