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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Most people in websites like HN have absolutely no idea what 4chan is, how it works, and what kind of things people post in there. It shows because every time you read a comment here about 4chan you are confused as to what website they may be talking about.

Twitter is really not far from 4chan in 2025.

That's understating it. They're practically the same at this point, 4chan just has fewer bots.

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Americans complaining about extra-territorial application of laws?

As much as I dislike the OSA, if you're not in the UK you can -- and probably should -- just ignore it. Unless you care specifically about interacting with users or businesses in the UK, in which case you probably need to comply.

Unlike the USA, we're generally incapable of successfully demanding everyone everywhere go along with whatever overreach we might think up.

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I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

If the owner doesn't care about it and it's got such a strong network effect, what's stopping somebody from buying it and implementing the SomethingAwful monetization model, where it's free until you get banned and then $10 for every unbanning?

I think he enjoys the revenue it generates, not actually running the site.

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I laughed at hiromoot. Very clever nickname

I know moot, but what’s the hiro part mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyuki_Nishimura

>Users on 4chan refer to him commonly as 'hiro' but also by the ethnic slur "gook moot", or the nickname "Jackie 4chan", "Hiroshima Nagasaki," or simply "hiroshimoot".

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

I understand the people might wanna block porn on their kids mobile internet and home WiFi. So why don't they mandate their ISP to implement this as an optional feature ? Why do they instead try to boil the ocean by going after every website on the planet and outside of their jurisdiction?

My solution was to set my router to use the DNS server at 1.1.1.3 which blocks adult sites.

https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-1-1-1-1-for-families...

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Americans complaining about extra-territorial application of laws? As much as I dislike the OSA, if you're not in the UK you can -- and probably should -- just ignore it. Unless you care specifically about interacting with users or businesses in the UK, in which case you probably need to comply. Unlike the USA, we're generally incapable of successfully demanding everyone everywhere go along with whatever overreach we…

> Unlike the USA, we're generally incapable of successfully demanding everyone everywhere go along with whatever overreach we might think up.

I can understand why someone might think the UK still has as much influence as it did 50-75 years ago when you consider how prevalent that "UKCA" symbol is (the one that was introduced to replace the "CE" mark post-Brexit).

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I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

> still have a unified internet across the globe. which might be the end goal - the internet, with freedom of communication, is a way that the plebs can organize and resist authoritarianism. And as countries are growing increasingly authoritarian (and i include UK here), they may be planning on preventing the old free internet that has enabled so much. So as technologists here at HN, there needs to be a pre-emptive s…

Well, it's also what has enabled foreign nations to spread misinformation, what enabled people to disappear into their own bubbles filled with falsehoods, etc. Since these things are now tearing at the fabric of democracy, I wouldn't say it's a clean win for the internet so far.

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What content in particular?

The stuff that Free Speech Absolutists like to say on twitter, judging by the date they included. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon...

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