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Newsmax agrees to pay $67M in defamation case over bogus 2020 election claims

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Re: Newsmax agrees to pay $67M in defamation case over bogus 2020 election claims

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I see so much hate for James Carville but he was right. Grocery prices affect more people than abortions so why the hell did Dems run on abortions?!

Are there any women on this thread? They might know the answer to your question.

I didn't say it wasn't important only that it affects relatively few people compared to food prices. Everyone eats.

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Wouldn't that damage the right to free speech? Regulating what the media is and isn't allowed to say is a very slippery slope and it is open to abuse. If the government was responsible for this task what would prevent Trump and the republicans from hijacking it? It might be frustrating but free speech is one of the cornerstones of democracy and we are much better off with it then without it. > And that wasn't even th…

Lets say you have a competing business to mine. Am I allowed to go on TV and say "DO NOT USE FridayoLeary's BUSINESS! He is a known pedophile and I have proof!" I'll put up billboards in our home town and contact any vendors and clients you have and let them know this. Is that ok with you? Things like libel and slander are not damaging to free speech. I don't know how it happened but it feels like American's fundamen…

That is clearly protected speech. For it to be anything else requires a state-sponsored arbiter of truth, which is such an anti-pattern that Orwell featured it as a central theme in Nineteen Eighty-Four.

As for libel/slander laws - truth is an affirmative defense. If your "proof" is factual -- even if it's insufficient to prove your claim -- then go for it.

> it feels like American's fundamentally don't understand how our right to free speech works and what it is for.

I agree 100%.

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Unpopular opinion: Paper ballots with in person voting (with an ID) is the only 100% fool proof and verifiable voting system. Everything else could be manipulated or hacked. And when there's trillions of dollars and world power on the line, it's just a matter of time when the "could be" turns to "would be".

Should ID's be free and easy to get, because if not, this would amount to a poll tax, which has been deemed unconstitutional. We are also not required to have or carry ID to carry out any of our constitutionally protected rights. We would need to set up a service where a representative from the government would come to your house on demand, verify your identity, and issue you a free ID whether you live in downtown DC…

> We are also not required to have or carry ID to carry out any of our constitutionally protected rights.

Go buy a gun without ID, and tell me how it goes.

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When you’re marching one of the most hated republicans in the country around on stage pretending like it’s going to get you more votes, while kicking one of the most popular left-wing online voices out of your convention, I understand why people would get this impression. Dems would rather lose than cede any power at all to the left flank of the party.

The left flank of the party is the problem. Democrats would win more elections if they focused on economic issues.

Pretty sure things like universal healthcare are economic issues.

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Yeah, it’s not like there was national movement of voters threatening to withhold their vote or anything.

> Yeah, it’s not like there was national movement of voters threatening to withhold their vote or anything. Well that sure worked out exactly how every single person with a functioning brain told them it would.

Yeah it did didn’t it? Your point?

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Are there any women on this thread? They might know the answer to your question.

I didn't say it wasn't important only that it affects relatively few people compared to food prices. Everyone eats.

Everyone has a mother. Most people have at least one of a sister, a wife, a daughter. But I would venture to guess that most people here think more about what Moldbug thinks about democracy, than what their sister might have to make decisions about.

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You don’t have to be fine with it. I don’t like having to take off my shoes, but I have to because it’s not a constitutionally protected right. Voter ID is also not about election integrity. It’s about adding road blocks to voting.

You aren't following the conversation, and your own rhetorical examples are becoming confused beyond comprehension as a result. I disagree in regard to your assertion as to what voter ID is about.

“the state’s new Voter ID law is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania.” - Mike Turzai.

Disagree all you want, they aren’t exactly keeping it a secret.

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If the left were really the left they wouldn’t be the left though. The NBC left is the problem, the Democracy Now left is not. The left doesn’t want Bernie, Chomsky or Amy Goodman they want The View. Turns out young men don’t want The View, so the left is stuck now much like the American right because there is no ideological coherence, just aesthetic and hatred for the other team however they are imagined (e.g. “tax…

The path to winning elections is by appealing to voters who can be swayed while keeping the base on board. The problem with Democrats winning elections (since 2016) has been the ideological purity tests their social-left demands from candidates, rendering them toxic to independents. It'd be nice if internet SJWs grew up and realized that winning elections with "don't ask don't tell" is better than losing elections wi…

This is basically a Bill Maher monologue. We live in a country where a pathological liar can turn less than a dozen people in the NCAA into a national issue, but you think the best way to counter that is march a robot out on to the mic to say "I believe we are all equal, vote for me". This is who those "Join the conversation" Pepsi ads that went over so well were designed for.

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I generally have a cynical view of the people in this country, but I’m not ready to believe that a mixed race woman would have an uphill battle against a felon who already did a bad job once. Obama had an uphill battle, but he said the right things. Harris couldn’t even do that because she was only interested in Republican votes, not Leftist votes.

Maybe. On the other hand the only times Trump won was against a woman.

One of those women was universally hated, but actually got more votes than him, the other had the stink of being part of the previous administration on her.

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Do you also oppose a federal election holiday? because pretty much everyone who opposes flexible voting options does so because they want less people voting.

That is an uncharitable view. There are too many federal holidays, but I would support repurposing one, or voting on the weekend.

repurposing one, fine as long as its not one of the "bank holidays" where retail goes into overdrive. Lower income people are more likely to be working on weekends, so no on that one. I believe that you'd need a constitutional amendment to change the day too.
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