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UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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30 arrests per day and increasing https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-make-30-arr...

Arrests != Jail. Read the original comment.

Right, taken literally it isn't wrong. They said "can be arrested and jailed". They were arrested and they would have been jailed too if they didn't go to court and defend themselves. How does that not meet the bar of "can be arrested and jailed"?

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And I was specifically talking about UKs lack of protest, see the issue here?

But the UK is not lacking in protest; we do protest. What I am saying is that protesting is a method of freedom & rebellion that is now flawed for today's modern world. It may work in a few odd countries but overall now achieves nothing. Protests do not work in these modern times. It may of worked in the in the 1800's because society was maybe of been more united, less corrupted in power however the power that folks…

No I get what you’re getting at. I might have a different idea (maybe anachronistic indeed) of what protesting means, having done it in my youth.

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You post recognises the boundary between free and illegal speech. You have not addressed the fact that UK policing guidelines now have a third category of “legal but harmful” (which has resulted in real door knocks). This is subject to political outlook and therefore as “loosey goosey” as it gets.

> now have a third category of “legal but harmful” I'm sorry but the police always have had that. Again, ASBOs, public order offences, "please move along now", town dispersal orders. Specifically ASBOs give the police the power to stop someone doing almost any action, the courts have deemed antisocial. A good example of that is street preachers being stopped from using megaphones, which must have happened as early as…

I am talking about a Police visit over a sarcastic satirical tweet. There are other cases.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/31/kent-police-20k-...

> Look, unless we get someone extreme in power, and they are uniquely competent, they we are mostly safe. What will change that is the steady drip drip drip, of both economic hardship, and a willing medium to blame that on minorities. So 2028 is around the time that jenrick will attempt to lock us all up.

Sigh, I was half expecting drivel like that.

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> now have a third category of “legal but harmful” I'm sorry but the police always have had that. Again, ASBOs, public order offences, "please move along now", town dispersal orders. Specifically ASBOs give the police the power to stop someone doing almost any action, the courts have deemed antisocial. A good example of that is street preachers being stopped from using megaphones, which must have happened as early as…

I am talking about a Police visit over a sarcastic satirical tweet. There are other cases. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/31/kent-police-20k-... > Look, unless we get someone extreme in power, and they are uniquely competent, they we are mostly safe. What will change that is the steady drip drip drip, of both economic hardship, and a willing medium to blame that on minorities. So 2028 is around the time tha…

Yes, but as the news piece clearly points out, it was incorrect and cost the police £20k.

> Sigh, I was half expecting drivel like that.

Look I have been railing against this shit for _years_ the Public Order Act 2023 is the latest in a looooong line of laws that have actually and practically curtailed our rights to protest.

I have organise, I have petitioned, I have shouted and screamed, and yet here we are. I have given up.

I look over at the states and just have to hope that it reeks enough that it puts people off the badenoch/jenrick/farage wank fest.

Sadly with the underfunding of courts, and the move to bench trials, means that we are probably fucked, no recourse unless you're rich

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post #84

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There is widely available literature analyzing public disobedience, I suggest you find some reliable source in your favorite learning media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Thanks. So, Gandhi style peaceful resistance? Would that work in England, the way it did in India occupied by England?

There are other options

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> First, SSL ensures that ISPs cannot log your literal browser history. unless im speaking to a 90 year old, nobody thinks browser history means offline copies of the page

The point is that they don’t see the URLs you visit, only the domains.

are you sure about that? ive read its meta-info but didnt see that particular caveat

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As a Brit, I'd agree that it's not ideal. However, the characterisation of terrorist scare in the 2000's, is somewhat off. Over the course of the last two decades, there have been numerous terrorist attacks, most notably 7/9, which have led to increased vigilance and securitisation. So while travelling in Hungary, Croatia, or Italy over the last few years I've noted the difference, I also appreciate that each country…

What people like you seem to miss or maybe simply lack the sophistication (if I may say so) for, is understanding the nature of the ruling system and how far it will go to achieve its aims, which are also hidden from you. The ruling class are obviously a rather small group, so they inherently and by necessity rely on extreme manipulation, gaslighting, lying, deception, etc. to keep everyone off balance and not lookin…

Hi hopelite. I typed out a decently detailed response to your message, but decided to cut it short. I think we probably have a profoundly different viewpoint and set of experiences which would be too much to try and reconcile here.

I'll say this: history, certainly British history, shows that bad actors are real and that power is simultaneously unavoidable, useful, and deeply dangerous, particularly for those who seek it out. I'm certainly not oblivious to that or "lack the sophistication" to see that the world is complex.

However, for all its ills, I'd rather live here, now, than anywhere else at any other time in history and I think there's better things ahead if we can stop see those who have different viewpoints as inferior, or as enemies, and find some common ground. I'd certainly rather be here than in Gaza, Iran, Russia, Belarus, Afganistan, China, etc.

Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but given the same outrage flew during the Snoopers Charter debacle and we are all still here and talking, maybe "they" are not out to get us all.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/10/retired-police-o...

And theres the "obscure cases where the details are being conveniently glossed over" part. How long has he been sentence to jail for again? I'm not defending his arrest, and quite obviously something went very wrong there, but again, we're talking about jail here. Posting an obscure cockup as if its the norm is pretty disingenuous.

keep moving those goal posts to justify your denial

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post #139

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The point is that they don’t see the URLs you visit, only the domains.

are you sure about that? ive read its meta-info but didnt see that particular caveat

The URL is sent over the E2E encrypted connection. How do you suppose the ISP would be able to see it? Maybe three letter agencies have back doors into this kind of stuff, but your ISP doesn’t.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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post #134

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As a Brit, I'd agree that it's not ideal. However, the characterisation of terrorist scare in the 2000's, is somewhat off. Over the course of the last two decades, there have been numerous terrorist attacks, most notably 7/9, which have led to increased vigilance and securitisation. So while travelling in Hungary, Croatia, or Italy over the last few years I've noted the difference, I also appreciate that each country…

What people like you seem to miss or maybe simply lack the sophistication (if I may say so) for, is understanding the nature of the ruling system and how far it will go to achieve its aims, which are also hidden from you. The ruling class are obviously a rather small group, so they inherently and by necessity rely on extreme manipulation, gaslighting, lying, deception, etc. to keep everyone off balance and not lookin…

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