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Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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I encourage everyone to do the following simple exercise: look at the main stock market in your country, and see how far back you must go for the main index to be half of what it is today. The answer is probably somewhere between 5 and 7 years. Then find salary statistics, and see how much the average salary has increased in the same time. The answer is probably somewhere between 20 and 30%. And it really is as simpl…

It’s really not that simple. - Populations have grown in the last 7 years. Workforces have changed. - Stocks rise on hype, debt, and low interest rates — not from actual value or work done. - Borders are porous. Cheap labor moves. - Companies come and go. And there's far more to it than that. Saying it is "really that simple" is nothing but call to outrage.

This doesn't contadict that rich renters have it better than actual workers - sucking the riches they produce. You are just pointing out some of the reasons why.

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I encourage everyone to do the following simple exercise: look at the main stock market in your country, and see how far back you must go for the main index to be half of what it is today. The answer is probably somewhere between 5 and 7 years. Then find salary statistics, and see how much the average salary has increased in the same time. The answer is probably somewhere between 20 and 30%. And it really is as simpl…

This is an oversimplification but directionally correct, if you want the academically rigorous proof just go read Piketty’s papers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you put a 2.5% annual tax on net worth, that net worth would very rapidly find its way to other countries. Wealthy people would learn to structure their earnings to flow into businesses in other countries to avoid this wealth tax. This would reduce income tax in the United States. I would guess the overall effect would trend toward a net tax loss. If you gave 40 million people an extra $15K per year to spend, the…

The end result of this logic is that poverty must exist for society to function and I just don’t accept that.

Poverty must exist for capitalist societies to function, yes.

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I have a bit of a gripe with this "food insecurity" metric. The stat comes from people reporting that they have felt hungry without having enough food to satiate their hunger. Totally makes sense at first pass. But here is the rub, obesity is out of control in the US, and it is especially bad in poorer populations. So now we have two conflicting stats: Poor people are food insecure while simultaneously being overweig…

Wow. I'm at a loss for words with this comment. So, in case you aren't from America, you might not know this: the food that is the cheapest also happens to be the food that is the least nutritious. Americans who are poor cannot afford fresh vegetables, fruit, meats and gym memberships. They can afford cheetos. It is quite the spurious correlation to say that obesity causes hunger. Just wow.

This completely false talking point is a disease.

"Normal" foods like rice and beans are dramatically cheaper than "junk" food.

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A few months ago I had a persistent irritation on my right eye, as if some dust was stuck there. Worried about it, I went to Urgent care and got billed $3400 (dollars) for antibiotics, WHICH WERE WRONG, an actual ophthalmologist said I had it scratched and just had to apply some drops. $250 for the ophthalmologist and about $50 for the drops. This week I am in Brazil for vacation, and my mother-in-law had a lot of ba…

> And I have good health insurance I think your example illustrates how low people's expectation can be when it comes to calling health insurance "good" in the U.S. If I were asked to pay $3400 for urgent care or $250 for an ophthalmologist I would not consider the health insurance "good" for its intended purpose of insuring against medical expenses. (It might be good for other purposes like enabling you to invest wi…

Yeah, I wouldn't consider any HDHP (High-Deductable Healthcare Plan) to be "good insurance".

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I did some math a while ago on this topic: 40 million Americans live below the poverty line of $15,000 per year. [1] Total U.S. household net worth (excluding real estate) is around $54 trillion. [2] If every household above the poverty line donated 2.5% of their net worth annually to people living below the poverty line, we could erase poverty instantly. Here’s the math: 2.5% of $54 trillion = $1.35 trillion $1.35 t…

If you put a 2.5% annual tax on net worth, that net worth would very rapidly find its way to other countries. Wealthy people would learn to structure their earnings to flow into businesses in other countries to avoid this wealth tax. This would reduce income tax in the United States. I would guess the overall effect would trend toward a net tax loss. If you gave 40 million people an extra $15K per year to spend, the…

A wealth tax is just not feasible because almost none of the rich will accept it. See almost any response to your comment as evidence. What we need is strong labor laws and the will for unions in the working class. A wealth tax doesn’t actually change any power dynamics. The rich are still powerful and the poor reliant on them. If the working class can band together, the power dynamics change and we can see some actual progress.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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There are times when I have been broke and just meant I ate more plainly. 20kg sack of rice is cheap and lasts a while. Flour is cheap. Eggs are cheap Potatoes Canned tuna Etc A lot of those who complain about groceries could swap out what they would rather have until times improve.

Yeah! And they could sell their refrigerators too! They use way too much electricity.

Why would they do that? Refrigerators are incredibly efficient and cheap to run and are a modern miracle of extending food shelf life/

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Can't speak for anyone but myself of course, but I was pretty disappointed with the way Democrats under Obama tackled healthcare. One of the big differences between Obama and Clinton in the primaries was that Clinton was in favor of an individual mandate, and Obama was not. We still ended up with an individual mandate, which is both offensive on grounds that the government is forcing you to find and pay for insurance…

Whatever is worth doing is worth doing badly. Obamacare wasn't perfect, but it had tons of positive effects and could later be improved. Republicans seem to be the only ones with a 50-year plan and the discipline to see it through. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/06/24/americans-vi... > 41% of Americans say the government should provide more assistance to people in need > 30% say it's providing about the ri…

>Whatever is worth doing is worth doing badly. Obamacare wasn't perfect,

No, that's BS. It was worse than nothing and probably set us back years. We'd probably have a more workable alternative at this point if not for the detour.

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A few months ago I had a persistent irritation on my right eye, as if some dust was stuck there. Worried about it, I went to Urgent care and got billed $3400 (dollars) for antibiotics, WHICH WERE WRONG, an actual ophthalmologist said I had it scratched and just had to apply some drops. $250 for the ophthalmologist and about $50 for the drops. This week I am in Brazil for vacation, and my mother-in-law had a lot of ba…

> persistent irritation > went to Urgent care

You waited until it became a problem, then went to an expensive option instead of contacting your GP and getting a recommendation for an in-network care? And were surprised that it was expensive? This is healthcare 101 in the US. You could have gotten the same care for a reasonable price had you done 1 hour of due diligence.

We do not need to remake the system--which will result in far greater inconveniences than the 1 hour of dd you found to be unreasonable, not only for you, but for people who are perfectly capable of navigating the current system--to save you from yourself.

Re: Food, housing, & health care costs are a source of major stress for many people

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Quite a sound article. Although, I want to add one thing.

People who are "Fixing the inflation and lowering prices" are not doing the right thing. It's like as if I would have been electrocuted and they would be feeding me some amazing medication to help me to heal while I was still connected to that cable!

We are saying that with time prices go higher. And that's expected. Not exactly super-cool, but we don't want there to be no inflation at all. It should be moderate, 1-2% is an awesome amount. But it's quite beyond a lot of people’s speaking.

The problem is that not a single person has told Joe Smith from the 5th Ave that he should be demanding a 7% raise this year. Why? Well, his boss has just produced 7% more due to inflation. Joe was working hard and he should have deserved something.

Instead of teaching Joe to be responsible for his income by asking raises we don't talk to Joe about it. He is not proactive in his business so he could ask for said raises. We explain poor Joe that he is totally at the disposal of some "Banks" or "Corporations" and stuff like that. We tell Joe that the only thing he could potentially do about the entire situation is to go to Walmart and clip a coupon, because they do have discounts.

A simple example: Let's look at the lumber prices [1] in around 1975. Not a best year to buy lumber. It was $150.

Now, let's plug this value into an inflation calculator. [2] $150 in 1975 is $900 today.

Let's look at the price of lumber in 2025 [1]. Currently the price of lumber is around $600.

That's good. It looks like the lumber has become cheaper. One would expect with 500% inflation since 1975 the lumber to cost $900, but it's only $600. So our Joe Smith is happy!

Yet he is not. He is not that concerned about the lumber. Yet in 2025 he looks at the price of an iPhone or a new computer or a car. Or a house. And he knows that he can't afford said house.

The issue is that in the past 30 years, Joe Smith has been content to get a 5-10% bonus at the end of the year and thought that that was a good deal. Those 7% raises looked like a stupid thing to do, and he was always content with just being able to get his one-time payout.

Let's be honest, at this day and age, the poverty guideline of $15k per year seems ridiculous. $120k per year per person should have been a new norm, providing $20k will go to taxes and at least $20k more to cover living expenses. Out of the remaining $80k, you'll get $20k more for food and car and $60k at your disposal. $60k will give you plenty of leeway for handling your medical, savings, and some nifty things one would like to have from time to time.

Instead of instilling this new norm and demanding money to be paid, we are quite content with $60k per year and the necessity to clip every coupon to make the ends meet.

This is definitely not easy, but the US is a country where $120k per year is not something unbelievable. And I'm pretty sure that a lot of the people reading this post already surpassed $120k per year. The issue is that your Uber driver or a guy working in a shop is getting $40k.

And the biggest issue is that we have a society where the guy with a $40k salary does not have an idea that he should be getting at least 80k, but has the idea that he should be running after sales and clipping coupons.

[1]https://www.macrotrends.net/2637/lumber-prices-historical-ch... [2]https://www.usinflationcalculator.com

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