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Re: Eleven Music

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Post by rpdillon »

Q6T46nT668w6i3m wrote: post #255
bigfishrunning wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at her singles page on wikipedia (suspect source, but i don't know of a better one), looks like she's had 11 singles hit number 1 on billboard 100, and most of them are later songs. She's had many more in the top 10. I think your theses here is a bit suspect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift_singles_discograp...

My point is that the OP named someone that wrote or co-wrote nearly every song she’s recorded undermining there entire argument.

My point is that "artists" are huge teams of people. Here are the credits for Swift's top 12 hits. Of course I wasn't in the room for the writing of any of these, but the diverstiy of the team involved is at least notable, yeah?

"We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" (2012): Taylor Swift, Max Martin, Shellback

"Shake It Off" (2014): Taylor Swift, Max Martin, Shellback

"Blank Space" (2014): Taylor Swift, Max Martin, Shellback

"Bad Blood" (featuring Kendrick Lamar) (2015): Taylor Swift, Kendrick Lamar, Max Martin, Shellback

"Look What You Made Me Do" (2017): Taylor Swift, Jack Antonoff, Richard Fairbrass, Fred Fairbrass, Rob Manzoli

"Cardigan" (2020): Taylor Swift, Aaron Dessner

"Willow" (2020): Taylor Swift, Aaron Dessner

"All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor's Version)" (2021): Taylor Swift, Liz Rose

"Anti-Hero" (2022): Taylor Swift, Jack Antonoff

"Cruel Summer" (2023): Taylor Swift, Jack Antonoff, St. Vincent

"Is It Over Now? (Taylor's Version)" (2023): Taylor Swift, Jack Antonoff

"Fortnight" (featuring Post Malone) (2024): Taylor Swift, Post Malone, Jack Antonoff

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by butlike »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #230
esafak wrote: post #225

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Because trying to understand what the artist was thinking, saying, or trying to express is pointless if there is no artist.

I was making the opposite point — if you hate it, you hate it — regardless of whether it is AI or not. You're having a problem with liking it only to find out later it is AI? Again, live music is the way to go then. Also, artists I like the most have a body of work that I like. If AI can fake that — create a body of work I like, cam relate to ... well, I guess I have to give credit to the machine.

Well, I can 'hate' a piece of art but still appreciate it for its artistic merits. I can't if it's just random noise applied to mimic artistry.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by esafak »

jhbadger wrote: post #250
esafak wrote: post #225

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Because trying to understand what the artist was thinking, saying, or trying to express is pointless if there is no artist.

I'm not sure there's a point to doing that with a lot of pop music, which is often written by committee to give to a pop star whose personality and looks are likewise crafted by other committees to attract a particular audience. The point is to make a successful product. It's romantic to imagine a tortured composer who creates music to express their damaged soul to the world and the like, but that's not what most mus…

You won't be surprised if I told you I don't listen to that either.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by conn10mfan »

we really need to mandate that software engineers and ML researchers have some rudimentary ethics and aesthetics education, words really cannot describe how much of an abomination AI generated music is, it should be an outrage to our collective intelligence and creativity that tools trained illegally on the work of unaware artists are attempting to disposes those artists of their livelihoods and cultural functions

while we spin our wheels trying to displace those of us who have decided to produce culture, our adversaries will invest in medicine, energy production, transportation, etc...

what profound contempt for humanity a culture must have to produce tools such as these

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by waffletower »

When a company like Eleven Music joins the ranks with yet another closed weight model release, they lose an opportunity for community innovation and experimentation to enrich their business. The open source ecosystem for AI music models is quite meager and grim. The stagnancy of AI music output by these companies could potentially change with a stronger commitment to open source models which could unleash a renaissance of musical creativity.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by SirMaster »

gosub100 wrote: post #186
JKCalhoun wrote: post #176

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Or whether any tools were used to retouch a photo? We've been living in an age of artificiality for some time now.

Retouching is not generation.

At what % of retouching a photo with a AI re-toucher tool makes it generation though?

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by BriggyDwiggs42 »

bawana wrote: post #247

If we have created software that can pass the classical Turing test (conversation indistinguishable from human) then that software can also produce artifacts indistinguishable (or better) from those that are human made. This is not new- it began w the industrial age - and has gradually been usurping activities that defined what it is to be human. The only reason this has been allowed to continue is because of propert…

Huh?

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by JKCalhoun »

butlike wrote: post #262
JKCalhoun wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was making the opposite point — if you hate it, you hate it — regardless of whether it is AI or not. You're having a problem with liking it only to find out later it is AI? Again, live music is the way to go then. Also, artists I like the most have a body of work that I like. If AI can fake that — create a body of work I like, cam relate to ... well, I guess I have to give credit to the machine.

Well, I can 'hate' a piece of art but still appreciate it for its artistic merits. I can't if it's just random noise applied to mimic artistry.

An interesting take. I guess I'm more shallow than that. I have to like an artist first to even be bothered to delve into the artistic merit behind their work.

I can see what you're saying though.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by JKCalhoun »

esafak wrote: post #263
jhbadger wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure there's a point to doing that with a lot of pop music, which is often written by committee to give to a pop star whose personality and looks are likewise crafted by other committees to attract a particular audience. The point is to make a successful product. It's romantic to imagine a tortured composer who creates music to express their damaged soul to the world and the like, but that's not what most mus…

You won't be surprised if I told you I don't listen to that either.

Neither do I. Probably the bands I've fallen hardest for were R.E.M. in the mid 80's, the Pixies, the Muffs, Grandaddy…

It's frankly hard for me to imagine (perhaps either one of us) falling for an "AI artist" anyway.

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