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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Would something like this happen if the hostile educational environment was against - say - black people? Or any other ethnic group?

It's usually favouring blacks heavily. The discrimination is against whites, Asians, natives, non-Socialists, men

I'll give you natives, but men, whites, Asians, and non-socialists can be found in abundance, existing freely and flourishing on any college campus in America.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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They do. The law is literally that you must equally protect all groups

Correct. However, the current administration is interested in enforcing the law about discrimination only against one group.

That's a misguided political party for you.

Looks to me like they've got their sights on a lot more than one group, some are just more obvious than others.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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post #137

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They do. The law is literally that you must equally protect all groups

Correct. However, the current administration is interested in enforcing the law about discrimination only against one group.

And they aren't even doing that. The administration doesn't give a shit about jewish people. It cares about hurting lefties and has decided that "pro-palestine efforts are anti-semitic" is a cudgel they can use to do that.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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post #137

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They do. The law is literally that you must equally protect all groups

Correct. However, the current administration is interested in enforcing the law about discrimination only against one group.

I wonder how many jewish researchers lost their funding here and in the other cases. Seems like a misguided approach if this is what they really care about.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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I think it would be better to tie the grant to the researcher and let them move around if they want. This does not better humanity if they are tied up with a place that is in the political crosshairs by the current administration.

Also, DOGE just doing a blanket cut to NSF research grants was horrible.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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It is comparatively easy for a mathematician to relocate, given that, like most scientists, they already have world spanning international networks, and unlike other sciences there is no need for expensive lab equipment. Stuff like LIGO is hard to move around, but there is plenty of places in the world that have a good math library.

We are getting a lot of very qualified Americans applying for our open positions in Europe. Assuming we are not a special case, it looks like a lot of smart people are looking at options beyond the US.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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That there should be only 8 places in the world where you can find elite thinkers, all located in the US, is such extreme American nationalism and straight up ignorant.

Sure, there's also two such places in the UK. Thing is, I do find myself missing the one I spent nearly a decade living in, because such networks are self-sorting and I didn't realise how rare it was until I failed to find it again after leaving. (Still, Berlin is doing me good in almost all other aspects besides being able to accidentally find I've moved right around the corner from the same pub frequented by the au…

> there's also two such places in the UK

Oxford and Imperial?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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It’s complete bullshit. Half the students protesting for Gaza were Jewish themselves.

This is the closest to the answer for now, thanks. I remember reading how it was pretty antisemitic with racial shaming and bordering on physical violence but can't remember what sources it was. If half of the protesters were jewish as you say then that's unlikely

Propaganda directed straight from netanyahu. He ordered America to censor the students in public sperches and within days America inexplicably did it.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Allowing people to speak out against overt genocide committed by a foreign government = anti-semitism. Isn’t that self-evident? /s Tbh, this standard argument is itself anti-Jewish as it implies this behavior is inherent to being Jewish, which of course is grotesque and inaccurate. * Jewish /= Zionist * Zionist /= Imperialist * Imperialist /= Genocidal What we have really imo is an extreme colonist policy that is onl…

Nice strawman. So how about the actual question which is hostile environment for students? I was downvoted for asking a question and this did not answer it. Edit to reply: what I remember reading was not about saying "end genocide", it was about saying "you are a jew so go die" kind of stuff. It seemed pretty crazy but I didn't save any sources

What about the hostile environment to the students who protested?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

You state politicians' accusations without due process as fact.
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