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Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by aspenmayer »

jimbokun wrote: post #235
gavinray wrote: post #211

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I'm probably in the minority here, but I also produce House music as a hobby and I love the idea of generative AI as a production tool. I paid $10 to try the latest Suno 4.5 model and one of the songs it produced was incredible (to me) and sounded so much like the music from my Pandora station I'd never have known it was AI. https://suno.com/s/EjiWqoG3iR6OYXQA I'm excited for the future of "Infinite Personal Jukebox"…

But with Suno YOU didn’t produce shit. Suno did.

That is a distinction with a difference to you, but it may not be to them. They may not agree that they didn’t make the output, either.

Most people don’t even tune their own pianos, let alone build them. I think you have a point, but it’s not likely to matter to those who don’t view the questions or the answers you’re raising as meaningful for a given situation and context.

So even if they agree with you and make the content anyway because they like it or it’s profitable, where do you go from here, in your argument or outside of a hypothetical situation? I don’t see how you can put the genie back in the bottle.

Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by troupo »

danielbln wrote: post #255
troupo wrote: post #253

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> Definitely, but isn't that progress? That is beside the point of the original comment > We solve problems and new problems appear, which we also solve. In AI space these are not new problems. These are the same "let's try this new magic incantation agains a non-deterministic black box".

Ok man, you do you. I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone. Agree to disagree.

> I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone.

Yup, you're the one using perfect tooling that never produces any issues, or erroneous output, and is perfect in every way.

Unlike these idiot opponents of yours who don't have the intelligence and skill to use these amazing magical tools.

Or, perhaps, your opponents actually use these tools daily and actually understand what they can and can't do?

Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by danielbln »

troupo wrote: post #262
danielbln wrote: post #255

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Ok man, you do you. I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone. Agree to disagree.

> I'm over here making food use of this tooling, but it's not for everyone. Yup, you're the one using perfect tooling that never produces any issues, or erroneous output, and is perfect in every way. Unlike these idiot opponents of yours who don't have the intelligence and skill to use these amazing magical tools. Or, perhaps, your opponents actually use these tools daily and actually understand what they can and can…

Who says these tools don't make any mistakes? Don't put words in my mouth or project your own fallacies. Nothing in the world is perfect, but there is absolutely useful stuff to be had.

Keep your head in the sand though.

Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by [deleted] »

tptacek wrote: post #7

I didn't become a software developer so I could write the same SQL queries, the same plumbing code, the same boilerplate beginnings of programs, the same repetitive error handling, the same string formatting, the same report generation, the same HTML templating, and the same thread cancellation logic. I also didn't become a programmer so I could gratify myself by yak-shaving elegant helpers for those SQL queries, plu…

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Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by raincole »

eric-burel wrote: post #160

Can we collectively stop upvoting low quality 300 words random opinions about llm based dev? As a professional in the field I find the qualify of what's posted on HN really super low in this area, compared to posts eg related to cloud infrastructure or software engineering. There are better posts and sources than that.

People don't upvote low quality 300 words random opinions. People upvote funny and catchy headlines.

If you're asking whether we can collectively stop upvoting such headlines, the answer is probably no.

Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by ben_w »

yahoozoo wrote: post #228
serf wrote: post #183

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Smart caching fixes a lot of the issues there. If a fork is marked somehow as successful then presumably the cache lookup next time will be less painful/costly. Of course that's dependent on how caching gets implemented/where/when/how, but it's not unsolvable for common occurrence questions/answers. As for getting the SOTA questions wrong : we as humans would likely also go through an iterative feedback loop until in…

Except LLMs aren’t humans. Why do we continue to say “well, yeah but humans ”? A major point/goal is for these to be better and less error prone than humans. It’s just coping at this point.

That goes too far in the opposite direction.

Humans come with a broad range of skills and performance; LLMs are inside this range.

The fact LLMs are not human, and the fact that the best humans beat them, is as economically relevant as the fact that a ride-on lawnmower isn't human and (typically) an athlete can outrace them — i.e. it resolves to what you're actually using them for.

Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by zelphirkalt »

jonator wrote: post #56

For me the fun part of coding is having visions of products or systems I'd like to exist, and writing code only as a means to an end. Claude Code (AI coding agents/assistants) are perhaps the best thing to happen to my programming career. Up until this point, the constraint going from vision to reality has always been the tedious process of typing out code and unit tests or spending time tweaking the structure/algori…

And by handing over all the small decisions and things like writing unit tests, you are opting in to mediocre code quality (or worse) and you no longer get the full experience of using your code, for example when writing unit tests yourself. Or when in other cases where you call your own procedures from your own code. When writing a test becomes difficult it is often (not always) an indication of bad code quality. It will also lead to you being less familiar with the code in general.

It may be, that all of those are OK in your scenario or use case.

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Post by pjmlp »

andoando wrote: post #118
gavmor wrote: post #104

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> career (if I'm focused I'm neglecting my responsibilities). I'm confused—can you expand on this? What's "the work" that you've "grown to hate?" Is it "coding," or is it your "responsibilities?"

If its any typical corporate job, as they said I imagine the coding is rather boring. We need a new feature. Ok add this controller, add some if statements for this business logic, make some api calls, add this to the db, write some models. Ok done, same thing over and over again. Id certainly love to be able to do the architecting part and have someone do the work

As enterprise consultant, the "have someone do the work" is kind of complicated when the someone is not from the same office, if given the choice I would rather do that boring stuff myself.

Re: Claude Code is a slot machine

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Post by pjmlp »

hakunin wrote: post #81
radicalbyte wrote: post #68

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I've been coding for 35 years and I've grown to hate it. Most of the work is boring. The things I absolutely loved doing, they require focus, and focus is something I just don't get to have at this point in my life (young kids) and career (if I'm focused I'm neglecting my responsibilities). I've found AI to be a useful tool when using a new library (as long as the version is 2 years old) and in the limited use I've m…

I haven't seen many folks who actually hands-on programmed this long willingly and grown to hate it. Instead one is usually trying to become something else (CTO, executive, etc) but due to financial difficulties, struggle to make connections and promote themselves, had to keep writing code. Are you sure this wasn't more of your case? That said, I haven't programmed for 35 years yet (approaching 30 in my case), so I d…

Started with computers in 1986, and I don't want to become something else other that programming related activities, even if only partially due to architecture and devops stuff, unless obliged to by external factors.

Already did management tasks occasionally, and I rather be stuck on the last step of the career laddder with a job that makes me happy, than one I have to drag myself to office (physical or virtual one).

Eventually if healthy enough close to retirement age, I might as well do something completly different than computing related.

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