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Many lung cancers are now in nonsmokers

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Re: Many lung cancers are now in nonsmokers

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You're not going to spend a fixed price over time. You're going to consume a fixed amount of energy and pay an increasing rate as the dollar inflates.

Ideally we'd model all relevant parameters, my main point is that presenting the cost as $2940 is misleading.

And their point was that it’s not. The price of electricity typically grows to offset inflation.

Re: Many lung cancers are now in nonsmokers

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Yes, also, the base rate of smoking in different groups is important to take into consideration to prevent the base rate fallacy. Very few Chinese American women smoke (~2%), so if smokers and non-smokers have the same chance of getting lung cancer not caused by smoking , then the number of non-smokers with lung cancer will be a larger proportion. If 100% of some group would be non-smokers, then obviously 100% of lun…

> It's similar to misinterpreting the fact that most people that were hospitalized from Covid-19 were vaccinated. Whats the correct interpretation of this?

Let's start with an extreme example: each day more people die in traffic accidents, than by falling from a 10-story building. But still, we all can agree that driving a car is safer than falling from a building.

Why? Because driving a car you get more chance to get to your destination safely than falling from a building. ChatGPT estimates 0.01% chance to die in car accident per year, when driving every day, and 90-99% to die when falling from a building, once.

However, since there are many millions of people who drive a car every day, multiplying very little chance to die in car crash by millions of people, we get thousands of traffic-related death per day. Compare that to single-digit number of people falling from buildings, even if all of them die from it.

Back to Covid, let's imagine a village with simple numbers like this:

10 people were NOT vaccinated, 100 people WERE vaccinated.

Of 10 people who were NOT vaccinated, all 10 got hospitalized.

Of 100 people who WERE vaccinated, 20 got hospitalized.

_Correct_ way to look at this village would be:

ALL people who were NOT vaccinated, got hospitalized - 100% hospitalization rate.

But among those who WERE vaccinated, only 20% got hospitalized.

Hence, it's better to be vaccinated - this way you'll get 80% chance of not being hospitalized :)

I'm not a real statistician, and don't have actual numbers on hand, but situation with real world numbers is similar: among people who were vaccinated, less percent were hospitalized than among those who were not. It's just that we had so many many vaccinated people, that their small hospitalization rate, when multiplied by total number of vaccinated people, outweighs number of not-vaccinated and hospitalized people.

Re: Many lung cancers are now in nonsmokers

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But it doesn’t prevent cancer. It lowers the risk of a specific kind of cancer by some amount. Is it $650 worth? That’s what I’m stuck on. People just go by vibe and say things like “it’s a good investment” but that’s just coming from I don’t know where.

How much does it really have to prevent one of the most painful and expensive forms of cancer, not just for you but also your family, to justify $7/mo? Not very much, in my book.

Same comment as the one above. There are literally infinite things you can do to reduce your risk of mortality. This would have to be among the best options if those things.

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Is radon mitigation affordable, though? Someone in another subthread said they got quotes between $1600 and $3000. Even the low end of that is a difficult amount to spend for a lot of people in the US. If they're going to spend it (if they even can ), they're going to want to know it's going to meaningfully decrease their risk of cancer. I'm not saying it's not worth it -- that's the point, I don't know -- but I agre…

I don't know where you live but where I live in the Midwestern suburbs, $3k is on the low end for almost any significant home improvement/repair project except maybe repainting a room.

And those repairs often get put off years or until a house sale becomes dependent on the.

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I think Radon exposure is a serious matter, but its concentration in the USA either is probably overrated OR indeed you have a local geological problem. In Europe we even have the tradition of Radon Therapy for certain pathologies in Spa. Of course, one should do these therapies under medical consultation. https://www.alpentherme.com/en/therapy-health/therapy/radon-...

In the early 20th century America also used to have lots of radiation therapy providers. It's quackery, and harmful quackery at that. Just because you have a tradition of something doesn't mean it's effective. Or safe. Or wise.

People with rheumatological diseases beg to differ. I understand nowadays it's a little bit odd, given the more sophisticated technological therapies that exist, but getting exposure to radon in certain calculated doses is how it was supposed to work.

I agree that the mechanism of "radiation hormesis" is kind of weak, but it has not been disproved as quackery either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

Re: Many lung cancers are now in nonsmokers

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I think Radon exposure is a serious matter, but its concentration in the USA either is probably overrated OR indeed you have a local geological problem. In Europe we even have the tradition of Radon Therapy for certain pathologies in Spa. Of course, one should do these therapies under medical consultation. https://www.alpentherme.com/en/therapy-health/therapy/radon-...

> How radon works: Cellular repair in the body is stimulated, the number of free radicals is reduced. Yikes! Not only are free radicals increased , because you're being bombarded with ionizing radiation, but any cellular repair stimulated is because of the cellular damage done!* I have to assume "the number of free radicals is reduced" is intentionally written awkwardly and in a passive voice, to avoid adding "...aft…

Many physical therapies work on the principle of the stimulus and some net effects happen after that is stopped. Even fasting diets work like this according to specialists like Walter Longo: the best part happens when you stop the fasting and start eating again. You could argue something similar happens when you finish the certain exposure to radon after a trip to Bad Gastein.

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I think Radon exposure is a serious matter, but its concentration in the USA either is probably overrated OR indeed you have a local geological problem. In Europe we even have the tradition of Radon Therapy for certain pathologies in Spa. Of course, one should do these therapies under medical consultation. https://www.alpentherme.com/en/therapy-health/therapy/radon-...

Absolutely bunk science with no real evidence supporting. It’s like saying autism is created from vaccines. A lot of the US has radon exposure. I don’t how people come out saying things like you do but at the end of the day it’s exposure to radiation. I have seen it all, people will say it only impacts children or the elderly. Or that it’s an overblown conspiracy. Radon is radioactive, I am sure there are discussions…

Not on the same level as autism correlated to vaccines. And radiation hormesis has not been disproved as "bunk science" as far as it is widely known.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

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Absolutely bunk science with no real evidence supporting. It’s like saying autism is created from vaccines. A lot of the US has radon exposure. I don’t how people come out saying things like you do but at the end of the day it’s exposure to radiation. I have seen it all, people will say it only impacts children or the elderly. Or that it’s an overblown conspiracy. Radon is radioactive, I am sure there are discussions…

Not on the same level as autism correlated to vaccines. And radiation hormesis has not been disproved as "bunk science" as far as it is widely known. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

Nothing you have said in this thread has been supported by studies. Everything is a hypothesis or proposal. I would expect if this was real that there would be more concrete evidence over the decades, yet none exist. Maybe it’s not a falsified hypothesis but it’s at best a hypothesis. I am much more into the proven by a study science and medicine and not feelings.

Re: Many lung cancers are now in nonsmokers

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Wok cooking is done at really high temp, which releases gases that are not present in moderate/low temp cooking. Woks trends asian, cooking trends towards women.

I don’t think you know young Asian American women if you think they are cooking with woks or even cooking in general.

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