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The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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Have you considered that it's not that we are spending money on cheap stuff, it's that even expensive stuff is built to not last with the incentive you come back for more? You do realize there are whole R&D departments working on planned obsolescence. - Apple's planned obsolescence on batteries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate - Window's 10 to 11 garbage hardware requirements: https://www.euroconsumers.org/…

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Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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I bought some wrangler jeans, because I remembered that I had a pair years ago that fit me better than levis, the levis were quite expensive and the wranglers cheap. They were ok for the first wear - but not great to be honest. Then I washed them and they were unwearable. Didn't do anything fancy, just a cool wash, dried them on the line. They turned to cardboard.

Interesting, my experience with Levi's and Wrangler is equally the opposite, and to the larger extent - 501's, 510's would barely survive 6-9 months of wearing, while Wranglers (mostly Arizona And Texas) happily roll into... third year. Washing in 30 degrees, always tumble drying on low (dryer has a humidity sensor and stops when it's dry, doesn't overdo).

Levis quality has gone done and their pants doesn't last long, but neither does most Wrangler. However, Wrangler does have a line of pants made from 100% cotton, not added elastic materials. I have yet to test, but my theory is that the people who have long lasting Wrangler may have purchased the 100% cotton variant, but remind unaware of that fact.

Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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post #176

Many comments here are arguing that quality has actually gone up over the past decades. However, a common experience for me is that I own something of good quality from 5/10/15 years ago and now buy the successor model from the same brand, but the product has gotten worse, being cheaper made. And I have a hard time finding a replacement that matches the quality of the old version. It’s a regularly reoccurring frustra…

Its this way for me, with restaurants, especially those that have expanded a lot. A good example of this for me is the restaurant Dig Inn. It used to be one single place and was called “The Pump Energy Food” and used to my goto place for lunch. Then it changed names and expanded to 2-3 other locations and was still relatively good. It then started expanding a lot more and now the food absolutely sucks

Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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"Following his reasoning, it cannot be stated in absolute terms that an iPhone 15 is of “better quality” than a 2003 Nokia." This statement suffers from either viewing the past through rose-tinted glasses or from total cultural relativism in the most pejorative sense. I'm not sure about 2003, but around 2009, I owned a Nokia N900, which was arguably the flagship Nokia phone at the time. I can confidently state that c…

I owned a Nokia in 2003. The battery lasted a week and they were virtually indestructible. The phone never crashed or reset, the keys were so reliable and well placed that I could text without looking at the screen. The phone did not get slower with age. None of these things can be said about my current smart phone. Granted it does a lot more, but the quality of the things it does do is much worse.

On the battery front that really is just a function of your use. I've got a smart phone I use purely for work, which in reality means sending a handful of messages in a day. That battery lasts 5 days or so.

Also my first phone, a "bomb proof" Nokia died when it fell out of my pocket into a shallow pond. Most modern phones would survive that no problem!

Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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Along that line of thought I've noticed this recently: I can buy an expensive tool for say $200 that will last me 10 years. Or I can buy a cheap tool that costs $20 but will only last me two years. But if I want to use that tool for the duration of 10 years it then makes more sense to buy five of the cheap tool and save half in costs. Which one is really providing more quality over time? For some things this doesn't…

Very good perspective but I think that there is also a cost or loss of value in the inconvenience of a tool of good stopping its function at the wrong time. The opposite can also be true, that it is sometimes convenient that something breaks down because I actually wanted this new model anyway but could not justify throwing away a perfectly fine good.

That, and the cognitive load. You need to buy the right amount, remember where you stored the $5 replacements, or else spend $100 worth of your time to figure out where you ordered from five years ago. And if they are no longer available you need time to figure out which of the replacements isn't total crap.

Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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Is it not a little ironic that, in order to read this article without a subscription, I must agree to share my browser data with 920 interested parties?

Needless to say, I declined this unfair trade, but didn't hold out the greatest hopes for this being a particularly enlightening or profound piece.

Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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post #106

"Following his reasoning, it cannot be stated in absolute terms that an iPhone 15 is of “better quality” than a 2003 Nokia." This statement suffers from either viewing the past through rose-tinted glasses or from total cultural relativism in the most pejorative sense. I'm not sure about 2003, but around 2009, I owned a Nokia N900, which was arguably the flagship Nokia phone at the time. I can confidently state that c…

I googled the author's name and from a cursory look at his linkedin he was a toddler in 2003. It’s therefore reasonable to conclude that he has no idea how a phone from 2003 worked. I mean, he could’ve used one for a bit, but definitely not as a daily driver.

If he wasn’t born yet in 2003 then yeah.

I was born in 1980’s and for me what we have currently feels exactly like I live in the future.

Personal computers from 2003 sucked and now I have much more reliable and powerful personal computers in my pocket - as much as I have fond memories of Windows XP I also remember offhand serial key because I was reinstalling it loads of times for friends family and myself. Nowadays I don’t remember having to reinstall an operating system for at least last 10 years or more.

Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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post #176

Many comments here are arguing that quality has actually gone up over the past decades. However, a common experience for me is that I own something of good quality from 5/10/15 years ago and now buy the successor model from the same brand, but the product has gotten worse, being cheaper made. And I have a hard time finding a replacement that matches the quality of the old version. It’s a regularly reoccurring frustra…

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Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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It's all just Baumol's cost disease.

Sectors like ours becoming more productive drags up the cost of labour everywhere else. In manufacturing, that increases the incentive to skip any step that needs human input (e.g. increasing the stitch pitch and avoiding saddle stitching in leather). In services, it's your main input cost.

We can increase the efficiency of huge swathes of the economy, but eventually humans become a hard bottleneck. It takes a huge technological leap to overcome that.

Re: The bewildering phenomenon of declining quality

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> Cars are becoming prohibitively expensive. Adjusted for inflation, car prices are actually lower now than decades ago, especially factoring in huge safety and tech improvements. Entry-level models remain affordable, while buyers voluntarily pay more for SUVs and tech-heavy EVs. > Housing is becoming a luxury. Rising housing prices are mostly driven by land scarcity and zoning. The actual cost per square meter of co…

Adjusted for inflation? Who cares? People's compensation haven't risen enough to even account for inflation so how is that helpful? It's not. Saying something isn't expensive because its the same price after adjusting for inflation is a slap to the face of millions, perhaps even billions who are effectively making less now than they were ten or twenty years ago after they adjust for inflation. That phrase is not the…

Yes it has https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
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