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Nvidia won, we all lost

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

#261

Anyone else getting a bit disillusioned with the whole tech hardware improvements thing? Seems like every year we get less improvement for higher cost and the use cases become less useful. Like the whole industry is becoming a rent seeking exercise with diminishing returns. I used to follow hardware improvements and now largely don't because I realised I (and probably most of us) don't need it. It's staggering that w…

Our stock investments are going up so ...... What can we do other than shrug

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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This really makes no sense: > This in turn sparked rumors about NVIDIA purposefully keeping stock low to make it look like the cards are in high demand to drive prices. And sure enough, on secondary markets, the cards go way above MSRP Nvidia doesn't earn more money when cards are sold above MSRP, but they get almost all the hate for it. Why would they set themselves up for that? Scalpers are a retail wide problem. A…

Think of it this way, the only reason 40 series and above are priced like they are is because they saw how willing people were to pay dueing 30 series scalper days. This over representation by the rich is training other customers that nvidia gpus are worth that much so when they increase it again people won't feel offended.

Is AMD doing the same? From another post in this thread:

> Nowadays, $650 might get you a mid-range RX 9070 XT if you miraculously find one near MSRP.

If yes then it's industry wide phenomena.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite $500, but at $650, the 9070 is an absolute monster that outperforms Nvidia's equivalent cards in everything but ray tracing (which you can only turn on with full DLSS framegen and get a blobby mess anyways) AMD is truly making excellent cards, and with a bit of luck UDNA is even better. But they're in the same situation as Nvidia: they could sell 200 GPUs, ship drivers, maintain them, deal with returns and…

Some models of 9070 use the well-proven old style PCI-E power connectors too, which is nice. As far as I'm aware none of the current AIB midrange or high end Nvidia cards do this.

As I understand it, for the 50-series nvidia requires the 12VHPWR connector

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

#264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitpicking it doesn't change the fact that the 12v2x6 connector _also_ burns down.

(context: 12VHPWR and 12V-2x6 are the exact same thing. The latter is supposed to be improved and totally fixed, complete with the underspecced load-bearing "supposed to be" clause.)

They are not the exact same thing.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/explorer/diy-builder/power-sup...

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

#265

This really makes no sense: > This in turn sparked rumors about NVIDIA purposefully keeping stock low to make it look like the cards are in high demand to drive prices. And sure enough, on secondary markets, the cards go way above MSRP Nvidia doesn't earn more money when cards are sold above MSRP, but they get almost all the hate for it. Why would they set themselves up for that? Scalpers are a retail wide problem. A…

> Nvidia doesn't earn more money when cards are sold above MSRP, but they get almost all the hate for it. Why would they set themselves up for that? If you believe their public statements, because they didn't want to build out additional capacity and then have a huge excess supply of cards when demand suddenly dried up. In other words, the charge of "purposefully keeping stock low" is something NVidia admitted to; th…

which card's demand suddenly dried up? Can we buy their excess stock already? please?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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post #9

High end GPU has over the last 5 years slowly turning from an enthusiast product into a luxury product. 5 or maybe 10 years ago, high-end GPU are needed to run games at reasonably eye candy setting. In 2025, $500 mid-range GPUs are more than enough. Folks all over can barely tell between High and Ultra settings, DLSS vs FSR, or DLSS FG and Lossless Scaling. There's just no point to compete at $500 price point any mor…

I bought a new machine with an RTX 3060 Ti back in 2020 and it's still going strong, no reason to replace it.

same, 2080 Super here, I even do AI with it

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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post #89

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games My favorite part about being a reformed gaming addict is the fact that my MacBook now covers ~100% of my computer use cases. The desktop is nice for Visual Studio but that's about it. I'm still running a 5700XT in my desktop. I have absolutely zero desire to upgrade.

Still have 2080 RTX on primary desktop, it's more than enough for GUI.

Just got PRO 6000 96GB for models tuning/training/etc. The cheapest 'good enough' for my needs option.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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post #260

The thing is, company culture is a real thing. And some cultures are invasive/contagious like kudzu both internally to the company and into adjacent companies that they get comped against. The people get to thinking a certain way, they move around between adjacent companies at far higher rates than to more distant parts of their field, the executives start sitting on one another's boards, before you know it a whole s…

> Fuck the cloud and their ancient Xeon SKUs Dude, no one talks about this and it drives me up the wall. The only way to guarantee modern CPUs from any cloud provider is to explicitly provision really new instance types. If you use any higher-level abstracted services (Fargate, Cloud Run, Lambda, whatever) you get salvation army second-hand CPUs from 15 years ago, you're billed by the second so the slower, older CPUs…

Bare metal is priced like it always was but is mad convenient now. latitude.sh is my favorite, but there are a bunch of providers that are maybe a little less polished.

It's also way faster to deploy and easier to operate now. And mad global, I've needed to do it all over the world (a lot of places the shit works flawlessly and you can get Ryzen SKUs for nothing).

Protip: burn a partition of Ubuntu 24.04 LTS which is the default on everything and use that as "premium IPMI", even if you run Ubuntu. you can always boot into a known perfect thing with all the tools to tweak whatever. If I have to even restart on I just image it, faster than launching a VM on EC2.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Scalpers are a retail wide problem. Acting like Nvidia has the insight or ability to prevent them is just silly. Oh trust me, they can combat it. The easiest way, which is what Nintendo often does for the launch of its consoles, is produce an enormous amount of units before launch. The steady supply to retailers, absolutely destroys folks ability to scalp. Yes a few units will be scalped, but most scalpers will be…

W7900 has 48 Gb and is reasonably priced.

It' $4.2k on Newegg; I wouldn't necessarily call it reasonably priced, even compared to NVidia.

If we're looking at the ultra high end, you can pay double that and get an RTX 6000 Pro with double the VRAM (96GB vs 48GB), double the memory bandwidth (1792 GB/s vs 864 GB/s) and much much better software support. Or you could get an RTX 5000 Pro with the same VRAM, better memory bandwidth (1344 GB/s vs 864 GB/s) at similar ~$4.5k USD from what I can see (only a little more expensive than AMD).

Why the hell would I ever buy AMD in this situation? They don't really give you anything extra over NVidia, while having similar prices (usually only marginally cheaper) and much, much worse software support. Their strategy was always "slightly worse experience than NVidia, but $50 cheaper and with much worse software support"; it's no wonder they only have less than 10% GPU market share.

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