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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by bayindirh »

xoralkindi wrote: post #170
HacklesRaised wrote: post #160

One starts to wonder whether the LLM vendors laissez-faire approach to the legality of ingesting copyrighted / licensed material will start to infect the industry in general?

I think it will push opensource/ free software hackers to close source their code because it is being used to feed LLMs. Similar to how allot of hardcore free software proponents don't use Github. Is closed source the future?

> Is closed source the future?

No. I don't believe that. I personally want my code to outlast me and help people in the future, but I don't want allow anyone to just scrape it, strip its license and use for whatever. I use (A)GPLv3+, because I believe in "Freedom for the user", not "Freedom for the developer" which permissive licenses provide.

My code is not free labor for anyone. It has conditions attached.

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Post by tomsmeding »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #222
WolfOliver wrote: post #192

An app which is build for cheating complains about cheating ...

The founders who built Glass don't complain about cheating. Rather, the developer of https://github.com/sohzm/cheating-daddy complained of copyright infringement of his code by the developers of Glass.

While copyright infringement is clealy legally wrong and developing general software is not, I do agree with GP that one should, morally, perhaps not complain about "cheating" the legal system when the infringed application itself is meant for cheating.

Legal correctness does not necessarily imply moral correctness.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by nicce »

LucidLynx wrote: post #258

Is it me, or "founders" are actually FREAKING dumb? Why people continue to give them money, and praise their "work"? Instead of making (indirect) ads for them we should publish their name and the company's name into shame publicly, and let their reputation die slowly... I have no respect for them, and you should not too (if you care about justice).

Most of the time ROI is still bigger. You would think that some ”evil”companies would be dead but stock price just keeps increasing. Imagine what Facebook would be if they had good morals?

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by fullstackchris »

mezod wrote: post #243

We are in a crisis of morals. There has always been trashy people but since 2020 it feels like a lack of morals is rewarded more than ever.

Well, there are no consequences are there? Or at least no precident of consequences of such behaviour. My hope is that folks like this always lose out in the long run but I'm not so sure anymore...

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by koakuma-chan »

harvey9 wrote: post #238
koakuma-chan wrote: post #208

Hey I was having an interview the other day, and they had me show my task manager. Is your thing able to bypass that? (just curious)

It will just show a process named cheating-daddy. I doubt any interviewers will think that's suspicious. Half serious: why do you think a free tool focused on real time gen ai would also have a faked task manager feature?

> why do you think a free tool focused on real time gen ai would also have a faked task manager feature?

So that you don't get caught?

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Post by nottorp »

dheerajvs wrote: post #251
koffiezet wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When interviewers use LLM gargbage to filter out participants, expect candidates to do the same.

I don't use LLMs to filter out participants and I expect candidates not to use LLMs to cheat.

Then you can't compete with other recruiters who do. "AI" will take your job!

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Post by raincole »

RobotToaster wrote: post #206
Disposal8433 wrote: post #75

And it has the same fake excuse as usual "Since this was our first OSS project, we didn’t realize at first." He sure discovered this new open source thing and it's very confusing. It's not like it's almost 40 years old at that point. I'll never understand people who lie like toddlers.

It's funny these "founders" only use this hollow excuse with open source licensing, you never see "since this was my first company, we didn't realize taxes exist"

I missed revenue reporting[0] for my one-man studio once. This was exactly what I told the authority.

I got fined anyway.

[0]: Not in the US.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by nottorp »

Grikbdl wrote: post #233
zettabomb wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple - people need to eat (and fulfill other basic needs, of course), to eat they need jobs, to get jobs they need to pass the interview. The hiring process in a lot of industries is heavily gamed at this point, to the point that not cheating is basically an automatic fail. So, if you want to eat, you cheat.

> The hiring process in a lot of industries is heavily gamed at this point, to the point that not cheating is basically an automatic fail. This sound a bit of "thief thinks everyone steals". Interview preparation is normal and common but I don't think cheating is. May depend on the location of course.

The "heavily gaming" happens before the interview. When you reorder and edit your resume to have the right keywords to get on top of the LLM/intern sorted pile.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by tomhow »

ohdeargodno wrote: post #259
tomhow wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Playing with daddy's money Personal attacks like this are not ok. Sure, criticize their actions, but don't parlay that into this kind of personal swipe at the individuals and their families; that's when the line is crossed from valid critique of actions to nasty mob pile-on, and that's never ok here. Not that it should matter but as far as I can tell, the Pickle founder/CEO grew up and studied in Korea, and we have…

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It’s obviously diminutive and patronizing, and makes implications or assumptions about them and their families that are based on stereotypes or sparse information. It’s clearly against the guidelines and the guidelines aren’t discarded altogether just because a YC company is involved.
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