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The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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> For all we know, the middle is just air and crumpled-up old newspaper. I think this is the answer. I suspect the exhibit designers had a cool idea for a display, did a rough estimate of the area needed and then commissioned the exhibit builders to make the big metal-framed cube. Either they made an error in their calculation or the innate variability in the size of stacks of used bills threw it off. It's also possi…

It's probably hollow to make the display easier and more reliable.

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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It’s so easy for them to print USD money that they don’t care having 1M wasted like this.

It is almost certain that none of these bills represent wasted money. The piece of paper and the money are not identically the same thing. The paper is a document that is made to represent the money. At some point, the document is made to cease to represent the money. The Federal Reserve routinely acquires and destroys old worn bills, replacing them with freshly printed ones. This, by the way, has little or nothing to do with "how much money exists".

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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It's the cost of paper not the dollar value. Also only the outermost bills need be real the rest could just be paper, or voided bills or whatever. But accounting can cover it. It's not gold or pennies where the currency costs what it is worth to make

Coins don’t cost what they are worth to make.

Pennies do. (More, actually.)

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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> For all we know, the middle is just air and crumpled-up old newspaper. I think this is the answer. I suspect the exhibit designers had a cool idea for a display, did a rough estimate of the area needed and then commissioned the exhibit builders to make the big metal-framed cube. Either they made an error in their calculation or the innate variability in the size of stacks of used bills threw it off. It's also possi…

> "How do I know that's not a bunch of ones with a twenty wrapped around it?"

~ Vincent LaGuardia Gambini

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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On the other hand, due to the provenance of the cube, the whole thing would sell for a lot more than $1 million.

Jack Binion's sister, Becky Behnen, famously sold million-dollar display of one hundred $10,000 bills in '99 for (a rumored) $4 million to the currency dealer Jay Parrino.

(Supposedly) one of those $10,000 bills was posted on eBay for $160,000.

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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> Maybe it's easy for the Fed to acquire more cash as long as it's guaranteed not to be spent. The Fed doesn't acquire cash, it creates it. USD banknotes are liabilities of the Fed, but that concept only makes sense when somebody other than itself owns them.

No. We have a double accounting system. For every $1 it creates, it has to create an equivalent liability. And when something is budgeted for $1 Million, it is $1m nothing more nothing less

I'm not really familiar with accounting in English but is it really a liability in double-entry accounting? Wouldn't generating money basically be income? So if you sell $1000 worth of stuff, you credit the sales account for $1000 and debit your cash/bank account for $1000, and the account's basically a bottomless pit where you can draw as long as you're generating income.

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. We have a double accounting system. For every $1 it creates, it has to create an equivalent liability. And when something is budgeted for $1 Million, it is $1m nothing more nothing less

I mean, that's a very corporate accounting way of looking at it. But countries are not corporations, or even banks, and the abstraction is so leaky it's pretty much never worth using.

Double entry accounting has properties that allow it to track the flow of money, not just its state (current balance), so it useful for countries as well as corporations.

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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I think I saw this cube back in the day, or one like it. I worked at a place called Coin Wrap and we handled sorting and wrapping money for banks, and also wrapped the Sacagawea coins when they came out. One of the trucks came through and had to offload this large cube of money they told us contained 1 million in dollar bills, so they could offload the pallets of coins behind it. I've told people about it but had not seen a picture or knew it was in the Chicago Fed building.

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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I can't help wondering how big a cube you'd need to fill it with 1 million $1 coins. 43x43 piles of 541 coins each make 1000309 coins with a pile height of 541*2mm = 1.082m, while the width would be somewhat less than 43*26.5mm = 1.1395m with a hexagonal packing. So just over 1m cubed, a little smaller than the bill version. But at 8100 kg, tons heavier.

This is what 8 million (Swiss) 5c pieces looks like: https://cdn.unitycms.io/images/BasDL2iBqV3BLXFiXIPDdm.jpg?op...

(A party put them in front of the parliament to launch a campaign for universal basic income)

Re: The Fed says this is a cube of $1M. They're off by half a million

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From a 2014 reddit post[0]: > This is actually not a million dollars in singles. It is over $1,000,000. The box was created with the wrong dimensions by the contractor, but they still decided to fill it, display it, and claim it is $1,000,000. > > Source: Tour Guide at the Chicago Fed [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2f9sp7/one_million_do...

Man how expensive was that contractor when your art installation requires $1M in cash and all the labor to assemble it, but you can't just tell the contractor to do a new box?

Maybe they didn't realize it was wrong until they filled it 66% up.
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