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Post by discostrings »

adeelk93 wrote: post #257
discostrings wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber violates this. At least as of a few years ago, there was no way to get notifications about driver arrival without also getting special offer and Uber Eats spam notifications periodically. Not only was there no opt-in consent, there was no way to turn them off without disabling the status updates. It's particularly bad when apps with legitimate time-sensitive functionality do this. I denied the app the ability to…

Account > Settings > Communication > Marketing Preferences. Uncheck them all. A bit hidden, but it does work.

At the point in time when I disabled notifications for the app, it did not. I tried that. Even after navigating dark patterns, digging into the menus, and turning those options off, I still received promotion notifications.

Perhaps they've fixed it since? I don't know because they've already burned my trust and they've done nothing to earn it back. Publicly acknowledging and apologizing for this would have been a way to start getting off my list of bad actors.

Even if they've made it possible to successfully turn those off deep in the menus now, whatever dreamed-up definition of "opted in" it's operating under is a tortured legalistic one that undermines the actual meaning and spirit of opting in.

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Post by epolanski »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

The company is donezo to be honest.

Without the huge hold of the cloud and business markets Microsoft enjoys they only have hardware.

And besides their excellent laptops you can forget of the existence of any other of their products.

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Post by pratnala »

gyomu wrote: post #145
ksec wrote: post #51

The problem isn't sending an Ad to Wallet. It is the fact that Apple openly attack Ads, condemns Ads, talk about privacy as fundamental human rights, and then have targeted Ads, in a place / software / services where no body expected it to appear. And not everybody has the Ad, so by HN / Reddit / Internet definition that Ad is targeted. The thing I used to like about Apple, even if you disagree with some of its decis…

> Now Apple has become just another cooperate entity but with design team holding sufficient political power. You’d be surprised to hear how much the political power of the design team within Apple has eroded over the last decade. Here’s a little game of insider Apple baseball: 1) why do you think the chief of design isn’t on this page? https://www.apple.com/leadership/ 2) from the SVPs on that same page, who do you…

What is the answer to 2?

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Post by jader201 »

t8sr wrote: post #248

I have never said and rarely thought this before, but I really hope the person who came up with / approved this idea got fired for it. It’s rare that you see something so unbelievably stupid and destructive of the shared pool of trust, which Apple spent 30 years building, only for one self-interested PM to blow a chunk of it up for no gain. If the person who came up with this reads this site, I hope they see this com…

Then you’re in agreement with the article:

> I try very seldom to call for anyone to be fired, but I think whoever authorized this movie ad through Wallet push notifications ought to be canned.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

WrongAssumption wrote: post #250
jcranmer wrote: post #238

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A graph whose data ends in 2018 isn't strong evidence for "they aren't plummeting." That said, doing some searches for newer information (e.g., https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/ ) suggests that iPhone sales aren't plummeting but are instead rather stable. (Although I wonder how much of that is services attributed to iPhone as opposed to solely the sales revenue from iPhone, the source doesn't make…

How does the source not make it clear? The first two bullets from your source. “Apple generated $390.8 billion revenue in 2024, 51% came from iPhone sales Apple Services is the second largest division, responsible for 24% of revenue in 2024”

Do either of those facts point to increases in iPhone sales?

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Post by somedude895 »

epaga wrote: post #126
zbentley wrote: post #115

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What’s this referring to? What drama did I miss?

https://daringfireball.net/2025/03/the_website_hacker_news_i...

Is there any proof for that or just a case of sour blogger?

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #185
somenameforme wrote: post #161

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Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

Probably more hardware while trying to recreate the "your friends and family will leave you out" effect of iMessage.

not outside NA

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Post by ta1243 »

ericmay wrote: post #196
somenameforme wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is basically a smartphone company at this point, and smartphone sales are plummeting. And I think they're plummeting for the same reason desktop sales plummeted. We went from a time where a new PC was a bit dated in 3 months and obsolete in 2 years, to modern times where a desktop from a decade ago is good for pretty much everything, even including high end gaming if you started with a high end card. The exact…

> I have a 6 year old phone that was cheap when it was new, and it still runs 100% of what I use my phone for, and most people use their phones for, perfectly. Just to be clear your suggesting that your 6 year old iPhone runs a suit of social media apps, full graphics games like Minecraft (or whatever the hell people play these days I don’t know), fitness apps, connects to the latest audio devices like Apple’s AirPod…

Thinking about my previous iphones

> Just to be clear your suggesting that your 6 year old iPhone runs a suit of social media apps

No, I deleted them all - other than youtube (premium, no adverts). I used to have them 10 years ago though so a 10 year old phone would run them.

> full graphics games like Minecraft (or whatever the hell people play these days I don’t know)

I have a few games to pass the time in some cases, but a touchscreen is rubbish for proper gaming. Sadly some games I had (monkey island rings a bell) seem to have been removed.

> fitness apps

Alas I'm not particularly fit, however I do recall a fitness tracker on windows 3.1, so I imagine that the supercomputer in my pocket can keep track of my heart-rate with the right sensor. I am fairly sure these were all the rage when covid hit 5 years ago so it's a fair bet they'll work now.

> connects to the latest audio devices like Apple’s AirPods Pro (as an example)

Headphones? My 25 year old phone will do that. Bluetooth? I'm fairly sure my 3GS did that. Sadly modern phones don't do wired headphones any more, so have regressed on that metric.

> works with CarPlay/Android Auto

Yes, I had carplay in my 2016 car so any iphone since then will do carplay.

> has wireless charging capability

My 4 year old iphone does that, although I rarely use it. It came out 5 years ago.

> can place 3D objects in a room to help you plan out a new design

I have to admit I have never even considered doing that

> and allows you to use payments features like tap to pay?

Yes. It's face recognition so less convenient than the older phone it replaced which was a touch sensor and also did tap-to-pay, more like "double click, stare at phone, wait, then pay". Apple Pay came out over 10 years ago.

> Plus equivalent camera and video quality?

Equivalent to what? A decade ago Apple were doing big advertising spreads about how good iphones were. I assume phones released 4 years later were at least as good.

Nothing on your list is a feature a phone from about 2016 didn't have, other than magnetic charging, and the 2020 era iphone 12 had that.

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Post by caycep »

keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

one would've hoped w/ Angela Ahrendts Bosom St John but I guess not a cultural/operational fit.
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