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Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Re: Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Post by cassianoleal »

preisschild wrote: post #192
cassianoleal wrote: post #133

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> > HDR > Already supported Is it though? I confess I haven’t tried in a few weeks but until last time I did, to get HDR in games you had to start a session with `gamescope` rather than a DE, and still had to set a bunch of flags - and in some ways have a very subpar experience with problems with mouse movements and other issues I can’t recall. I exclusively game on Linux and I find the experience far superior than d…

GNOME and KDE support HDR now too, so if you use those DEs you dont need gamescope anymore.

KDE has supported it for a while on the desktop. Still needed Gamescope to make it work in games. Like I mentioned, I haven't tried it in some time so it may have changed.

Re: Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Post by ladyanita22 »

mystified5016 wrote: post #194
jekwoooooe wrote: post #39

The last missing piece for full Linux gaming is anticheat. Last I looked into it, the major vendors don’t want to support it due to lack of kernel security and the ones that do, game devs refuse to allow it (destiny for example) One we can play AAA games I am literally ditching windows forever. Steamos is the best thing that has happened to gaming

Missing anti-cheat is a feature, not a bug. Linux not allowing games to install kernel malware is a good thing.

Linux definitely allows it.

Re: Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Post by happymellon »

bsimpson wrote: post #190
jekwoooooe wrote: post #39

The last missing piece for full Linux gaming is anticheat. Last I looked into it, the major vendors don’t want to support it due to lack of kernel security and the ones that do, game devs refuse to allow it (destiny for example) One we can play AAA games I am literally ditching windows forever. Steamos is the best thing that has happened to gaming

It's also an anticompetitive red herring, at least for Epic. They say they don't support Linux because it's too complicated to be worth the ROI. Really, it's that they don't want to boost a platform where Steam is far and away the default store.

Epic are a hostile company.

Just avoid it.

Re: Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Post by happymellon »

viraptor wrote: post #154
SchemaLoad wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proton isn't a subset of the Windows APIs though. It's very likely that you could end up depending on behaviors which only exist in Proton.

That's very much not what I expected. Do you mind pointing out something Proton implements that windows doesn't?

While they are wrong, in that Proton is absolutely a subset of Windows APIs, it is describing aiming for an implementation detail.

Yes call X is faster than call Y in Proton, but that could also be because its only 50% written and skips a bunch of side effects that will be created after you have written your game.

Therefore you need to view Proton as a potential moving target. Not that Windows isn't too, but its just not as clear cut as is being claimed.

I know this because I pin some games against older versions of Proton because they work better/faster.

Re: Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Post by account42 »

lotharcable wrote: post #204
preisschild wrote: post #126

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> On the other hand, Linux (or more accurately, the Linux desktop ecosystem) doesn't support a lot of high-end PC gaming features well: HDR, Nvidia GPUs, VR, etc. > HDR Already supported > Nvidia GPUs You have it the wrong way around. NVIDIA had issues supporting Linux, not Linux supporting NVIDIA. AMD drivers work fine, so its not a linux specific issue. > VR SteamVR works though?

For gaming and general desktop on Linux AMD is best if you want a dedicated GPU. If you want a laptop with good battery life Intel is generally the way to go. A lot of this is due to the enormous amount of effort Valve put into improving the open source AMD drivers, which is what is used on their Steam platform. Of course if you want CUDA you need Nvidia, but if you use Nvidia to drive your Linux desktop expect some…

An AMD APU without a separate graphics chip is a much better option on laptops these days than Intel.

Re: Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Post by account42 »

preisschild wrote: post #126
umbra07 wrote: post #27

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> Anyway, just my anecdotal experience. Those with dedicated gaming rigs will be more than fine with Linux, but those of us on underpowered hardware still seem better off with Windows, unfortunately. On the other hand, Linux (or more accurately, the Linux desktop ecosystem) doesn't support a lot of high-end PC gaming features well: HDR, Nvidia GPUs, VR, etc.

> On the other hand, Linux (or more accurately, the Linux desktop ecosystem) doesn't support a lot of high-end PC gaming features well: HDR, Nvidia GPUs, VR, etc. > HDR Already supported > Nvidia GPUs You have it the wrong way around. NVIDIA had issues supporting Linux, not Linux supporting NVIDIA. AMD drivers work fine, so its not a linux specific issue. > VR SteamVR works though?

> SteamVR works though?

Not at a level where the experience is more fun than frustation.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

ryukoposting wrote: post #115
jekwoooooe wrote: post #39

The last missing piece for full Linux gaming is anticheat. Last I looked into it, the major vendors don’t want to support it due to lack of kernel security and the ones that do, game devs refuse to allow it (destiny for example) One we can play AAA games I am literally ditching windows forever. Steamos is the best thing that has happened to gaming

Don't forget the ancillary applications that gamers want. If you follow Discord's website, you're gonna end up installing a DEB file manually. Then, every couple weeks, Discord won't launch until you go download another DEB file and install that. Oh, and good luck getting Discord screen sharing working on Wayland. I tried for hours, gave up, and switched to X11. So, just in Discord, we've already run into two hideous…

...why? Discord is available via flatpak.

It Just Works.

Re: Games run faster on SteamOS than Windows 11, Ars testing finds

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Post by Ferret7446 »

WorldMaker wrote: post #232
spartanatreyu wrote: post #29

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There's little point benchmarking a debloated windows 11 since: 1. There is no standard debloated windows 11 to compare against since Microsoft adds more bloat each month. 2. Users aren't going to be running a debloated windows 11 anyway

Related to 1, Microsoft did announce a gaming-focused "debloated" Windows 11 experience especially for gaming handhelds to release "sometime next year". It will be interesting to see what it is like as a standard, but obviously it is not out yet.

So they are scared of the Steam Deck. Good, they need the competition.
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