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Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

The free speech crowd was never serious, they just want power and control over speech they don't like.

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post #8

Wonder what the "political correctness is bad" "nobody is allowed to crack jokes anymore" "cancel culture is out of control" crowd will say about this one...

This meme "what about cancel culture" is no longer an interesting point anymore. Certainly online, most of Trump's fans don't care. Just stop taking these kind of conservatives you don't know personally seriously and just assume bad faith by default.

I've stopped taking these kinds of conservatives that I DO know personally seriously.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #109

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Yes, the moral difference is in the motivation and consequences. We take into account motivation pretty often to evaluate morality not sure why you can't apply it here TSA's purpose is prevent harm to other passengers (effectiveness is debatable but not the point), the east German border guards were there to keep control on what information the population could access and share They are not the same thing even if the…

So basically, "when we do it it's good, when they do it it's bad"? I didn't think I'd see someone seriously practice such morality on this website.

Most morally mature people practice that sort of reasoning. They take into account intentions, likely consequences, the state of knowledge of those involved, and other complicating factors before coming to a conclusion.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#266

A teacher in school told me about the time they visited East Germany. Armed guards poked though his luggage. It's a slippery slope toward fascism.

Interestingly, as an American, literally the only time I've had my luggage poked through by an armed guard was in a social democracy in Europe.

There's some inspection in practically every transport hub when I travel. While I traveled internationally the most strict was in Germany. I really don't mind a lot - there are good reasons to be careful - but they had guards in full military gear and with automatic weapons (usually it's handguns and plain uniforms) which looked pretty intimidating, and that was the only time I had to actually turn on my laptop to show it's a working laptop and not some kind of trick. Maybe showing how strict and tough they are was the point. The worst inspectors I had were in London. They were exceedingly slow and had very unpleasant manners. Maybe just my luck. Never had any real problems though - worst thing they got a look on my underpants and power connectors, and sent me on my way.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #134

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> doubly so one where Vance shared a version of it himself No. Should have precisely zero baring on anything at all. Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech.

> Reminder: Support of free speech requires support of the right to say things that you loathe by people you hate or you don’t support free speech. No it doesn't. You're putting arbitrary limits to suit your views. You can support free speech for American citizens and also support using a foreigner's speech to determine whether or not we allow them into the country. That's just smart border policy. We should be vetti…

The first amendment of the US constitution grants freedom of speech to all persons. Courts have interpreted that first amendment applies broadly, even to non-citizens.

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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No, the TSA security officers who are inspecting passengers and their luggage do not have arrest powers and are not armed. If you are doing something illegal, they call the police, and the police arrest you.

Does your need to be technically correct outweigh your need to understand an argument?

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Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

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post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically, "when we do it it's good, when they do it it's bad"? I didn't think I'd see someone seriously practice such morality on this website.

Most morally mature people practice that sort of reasoning. They take into account intentions, likely consequences, the state of knowledge of those involved, and other complicating factors before coming to a conclusion.

I think we have exactly opposite definitions of "moral maturity".

Re: Man 'refused entry into US' as border control catch him with bald JD Vance meme

#270
This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have been involved at all.

I looked up the article in Norwegian Reddit and someone posted a link to this person's Youtube channel where he shoots guns and (apparently, as I don't speak the language) has made comments about the President. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68cjx7WTYtXGhC3rLD3N4A

This could be the long arms of Palantir scanning social media and identifying him as a person of interest.

But also interesting is the response that Norway's Ministry of Foreign Affairs put out (I checked, this was in response to his specific case):

> Entry regulations can change at short notice, and it is the traveller's responsibility to have valid documents and be familiar with the current entry regulations. It is the immigration authorities upon arrival who decide whether you are rejected at the border.

Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork.

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