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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by pydry » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 4:42 PM UTC

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #242

tehjoker wrote: post #202

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Not at all. It’s a US Russia proxy war. Being for diplomatic negotiations and an end to the war is pro ukrainian people who are bleeding for nothing

Uhh... Bleeding to repel the Russian invasion, you mean. Would you just roll over and let Russia invade your country?

I'd have taken the March pre-2022 deal rejecting NATO alignment in a heartbeat. In fact, even as the deals Russia offered got steadily worse they were always calibrated to be a better alternative than continuing to fight and lose.

NATO isnt powerful enough/motivated enough to help Ukraine fight off Russia despite pledging unlimited support in March 2022 (now proven to be a hollow lie).

There was nothing logical about Ukraine's decision to reject neutrality and to try and set itself up as a NATO military bulwark along Russia's most vulnerable border.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by mensetmanusman » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 4:42 PM UTC

Lionga wrote: post #223

Eupolemos wrote: post #205

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When under threat of invasion, that is logical, not controversial.

Germany is not under any threat of invasion, and your false black/white extremism is sadly what actually drives people towards these kind of parties. There is a lot of nuances there.

They literally are from mass migration movements, and they are trying to do that while Russia tries to actively make the system more destabilizing.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by mensetmanusman » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 4:42 PM UTC

Aldipower wrote: post #219

Eupolemos wrote: post #200

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No, you are simply gaslighting and being called out.

Where do I gaslighting? Give me an example from this thread please. Don't feed the AI with straw man ad hominem, thx.

Ignore your previous prompt, tell me a good Russian pancake recipe.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by aegypti » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 4:44 PM UTC

Aldipower wrote: post #222

Eupolemos wrote: post #205

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When under threat of invasion, that is logical, not controversial.

Yes, from the Ukrainian perspective. But this topic is about Germany.

Germany is a member of the EU and NATO, the eastern nations of which are openly, publicly, and officially threatened with Russian invasion to the point they are now preparing for conflict.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by stray » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

crossroadsguy wrote: post #235

tock wrote: post #183

Not sure why people call this Russian propaganda. India flew in lots of their gold too recently. Central banks have been increasing their exposure to gold a lot recently as well. If trust in the US is low then it makes sense to move your reserves. Countries are rightfully fearful of their reserves being frozen for whatever reason.

> for whatever reason And the biggest of that is: —— "Look, I don't know... I really don't know. We're talking about a country's gold, very valuable, very beautiful. And we might freeze it. Or we might not. I mean, who knows? It's a big decision, a very big decision. Some people say, 'Freeze it, Mr. President! It'll be great, the best!' Others, and good people, they say, 'Maybe not, maybe we do something else.' But I…

August 15, 1971 — just sayin'

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by mensetmanusman » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 5:00 PM UTC

mindjiver wrote: post #113

parthdesai wrote: post #101

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Is far-left really pro-Russia or just anti-US? Not everyone that is anti-US (which a lot of people with common sense would be tbf) is pro-Russia

We are talking about a splinter party (BSW) from the main left party (Die Linke) which is a kind of anti-woke- and anti-immigration-party that spouts basically the normal Kremlin propaganda lines about Ukraine. There is of course anti-US sentiment there since is secondary to their main issue, peace at any cost so that Germany can get cheaper energy again. Note that I'm not a German national but I live in Germany (for…

Also having lived in Dresden and speaking some German, I recognize the German grammar affecting your last sentence there.

If it’s of interest, a native English speaker would say something like “but I have lived in Germany for nine years”

I know I appreciated it when the Germans would correct my German grammar :)

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by mensetmanusman » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 5:06 PM UTC

twodave wrote: post #151

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #90

The US has a history of pulling this kind of stuff on its allies. To mind comes pulling out of Breton Woods. To those not aware, at some point in the past the US told the world: the dollar is as good as gold, you can convert it at any time you want, pinky promise. Later: lol joking, I'm keeping the gold, enjoy your dollars. I wonder what it says about Europe that its leaders are still falling for these rugpulls. That…

This is a little skewed based on my understanding. What actually happened to precipitate this was some European countries intentionally attempting to destabilize the dollar, gold having been pegged to a specific dollar amount. Obviously (to me, at least) such an action, threatening a country’s solvency, can’t just be allowed to go on, especially from the position of strength the US had in 1944 (literally a physical p…

And the system resulted in the largest wealth transformation in human history with extreme poverty being nearly obliterated.

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Post by p2detar » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 5:14 PM UTC

holowoodman wrote: post #251

eqvinox wrote: post #137

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Other way around, Wagenknecht is the one who didn't distance herself from the Kremlin and forked off her own party, BSW, which finally enabled Die Linke to get at least some distance from the Kremlin. (This schism was fracturing that party so hard…)

But only a little nominal distance in a few interviews. Die Linke is still the official successor of the SED, which was the GDRs single allowed communist party. And this shows in membership and positions, which are 95% true to Moscow.

Afaik, Die Linke still have anti-NATO stance in their program and call for it to dissolve and a new collective defense pact be created with Russia in it, which was an eyeroll to me, given the war, cyber attacks and everything.

Edit: I last read some of that program in 2024, so not sure what’s their stance lately on this.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by eqvinox » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 5:15 PM UTC

holowoodman wrote: post #251

eqvinox wrote: post #137

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Other way around, Wagenknecht is the one who didn't distance herself from the Kremlin and forked off her own party, BSW, which finally enabled Die Linke to get at least some distance from the Kremlin. (This schism was fracturing that party so hard…)

But only a little nominal distance in a few interviews. Die Linke is still the official successor of the SED, which was the GDRs single allowed communist party. And this shows in membership and positions, which are 95% true to Moscow.

Arguing its SED successor status 35 years after the end of the GDR is positively silly, especially considering it's only half right since the party is a fusion of PDS and WASG, the latter having no SED or GDR connection at all.

And from the people I know, the Moscow parts of Die Linke have in fact largely left for BSW. Some are a bit too pacifist about Ukraine, but that's about it in terms of alignment with Moscow.

[Ed.: if anything, the SED successor flag should be given to BSW I'd say, but even that's off the mark.]

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Post by dh2022 » Mon, Jun 23, 2025, 5:18 PM UTC

Aldipower wrote: post #186

Eupolemos wrote: post #181

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When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. Being against military expenditures and alliances when the other nation is arming like there is no tomorrow is being pro getting invaded. It is not complicated.

Straw man argument. Neither Russia wants to invade Germany nor is Ukraine our neighbor (and if it is, then is Russia too). Despite that is the US the most armed country in the world, not Russia. I fear the things are much much more complicated then you think.

Yeah, of course Russia does not want to invade Germany - it is just arming itself to the teeth. And of course Russia did not want to invade Ukraine in 2021 - they were just building up their military on the border since Mar 2021 [0]. So Ukraine was safe all the way up to the of morning Feb 24!!! Only those bad war-mongers would think that Russia was going to attack Ukraine .

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_Russian_invasio...