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Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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What "Epstein/Israel/Trump blackmail conspiracy?" It's already known that Trump is in the Epstein files. He's already admitted to sexual assault, has been found liable of sexual abuse and is a convicted felon. He's one of the most openly venal and corrupt Presidents in history. There's literally nothing Israel could have on him that would surprise anyone. Every American President will defend Israel at any cost. The A…

Correct, but let's not forget that at the end of all this complicated mess it's Israel that reaps the benefits (money, territory, its enemies reduced to rubble). It's hardly by chance.

Why can't they benefit by chance?

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The US continues to burn its soft power capital to defend Israel - this guy was only targeted because of his investigations on Israeli war crimes.

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I thought it was Russia who had bought him? It's hard to keep up

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>some APAC conspiracy This is not a binary of either NWO conspiracy or paranoid antisemitism . AIPAC is a lobby, just like many other lobbies. They boast on their website[1] that they've paid $53M to politicians. Just like any other lobby, the electorate has a right and responsibility to judge whether the influence it has bought is in their best interests. 1. https://www.aipacpac.org/home

> AIPAC is a lobby, just like many other lobbies Sure. One among many. They’re influential, but not deterministic. > that they've paid $53M to politicians No, they don’t. They’re reporting campaign donations. There is a tendency, when we disagree with an election, to tally up the donations made to the other side while ignoring all the times the best-funded candidate got trounced. (Jeb!) The influence of money in poli…

Despite your presumption that US policy is set "because it's popular" it empirically is not: https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

Israel's sway has more to do with the power it holds over the political classes rather than because of its "natural" popularity. It spends billions trying to sway public opinion, which is increasingly ineffective, but despite this their vise like hold over the American political class remains firm.

This includes not only lobbying bribes and Epstein-like blackmail and lavish funding for anybody who wants to run against an anti genocide candidate.

Russia behaves very similarly in countries it seeks to influence and plenty of naive people are driven to believe that that their relative success at doing this just means that theyre naturally popular there.

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If the US is in the wrong, why should I as a citizen not want our government officials held accountable?

> If the US is in the wrong, why should I as a citizen not want our government officials held accountable?

A core principle of American justice is judgement by a jury of your peers from your community according to our laws, not by foreigners on the other side of the planet according to foreign laws. Violations of our core principles through means we were not a party to is a violation of our sovereignty.

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I thought I was clear on this, but I guess not: it was entirely appropriate. They lost so thoroughly and the Holocaust was so repulsive that it was arguably necessary . Germany itself was also in such a precarious position that the continued existence of the German State was in jeopardy, and probably the only way it could continue to exist in any form even after being divided was to go through the Nuremberg Trials fi…

You are becoming incoherent. By your own argument, the Nuremberg trials were not necessary. Anybody lacking the military might to defy the U.S. can be summarily executed without a trial. Anybody enjoying the support of the U.S. military is exempt from any courtroom regardless of their actions. Then here you write that Nurenmberg was appropriate and necessary. You don't seem to be able to hold the thread of your own a…

If the alternative was to leave Germany to the Soviet wolves, allow France to colonize it, or disregard the events of the Holocaust and not thoroughly document what occurred, how, and under whose orders, then it was necessary.

If you don’t care about any of that, sure, you can make the argument the Nuremberg trials were unnecessary, but I’m not going to be the one to do it.

Do note that the key difference between America in 2025 and Germany in 1945 is that we’re not a diminished State without really any sovereignty left to claim and haven’t recently invaded pretty much the entirety of Europe with the intention of subsuming it into a greater Empire and spent the last 4 years systematically destroying the entire Jewish population therein. That’s some important context and shouldn’t be overlooked in your zeal to put American Presidents on trial.

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I think we can point to Trump as a particular outlier, who in his first term green lit the capital move from Tel Aviv to Jeruselum, burning considerable political captial among Israel's detractors, in exchange for..... absolutely nothing (seemingly). As well as his general rhetoric (like his comments on Gaza) being considerably out of keeping with most of the Presidents before him.

His son in law (and business partner, and advisor) Jared Kushner is a personal family friend of Netanyahu. Besides this, Trump's muscular rhetoric probably just assumed that Israel was a piece of the US, more or less. I'm sure he also got very solid support at the elections from all the usual lobbies.

> I'm sure he also got very solid support at the elections from all the usual lobbies.

“Did they vote for me?” is his first consideration.

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When did the US make that threat?

Trump has several times threatened to take Greenland, by military force if necessary. He categorically has "not ruled out" military force against a NATO ally.

First source, but there are many: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/04/world/greenland-annexatio...

This has, for obvious reasons, been huge news in all of Europe and especially in Denmark.

I'm sure MAGA Americans want to hand-wave it away, and since Trump is so difficult to understand and says so many whacky things, we're all hoping he doesn't mean it, but it's underscored the need to quickly get independent of the USA.

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Historically speaking, Westphalian sovereignty meant that there was no such thing as an "international criminal court", nor "war crimes". An ICC party such as France hypothetically arresting, for example, Netanyahu, for things that he did in Israel, would amount to a substantial erosion of Israel's sovereignty in the Westphalian sense. Under the Westphalian system, Israel's prince would have sole jurisdiction in such…

The Westphalian sovereignty that you describe would refuse the authority of the Nuremberg trials.

Maybe, but I think Westphalian sovereignty generally permitted conquerors to dispose of the conquered as they saw fit. It's not a moral system, just a Schelling point.

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You're imagining this happening in a world where the US has the political status it had ten years ago, not the political status it will have ten years in the future.

We’re only talking about today, bruh. There’s no sense worrying about a tomorrow that may never come, but I’m willing to bet that 10 years from now we still have the strongest military in and around The Hague and even beyond, very very few would ever be willing to threaten war with us to back up the ICC. Now, 20 years from now? 30 years from now? 50? Who knows.

10 years from now either a non-state entity or the People's Republic of China will have the strongest military, and geography won't matter for military power.

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When did the US make that threat?

Trump has several times threatened to take Greenland, by military force if necessary. He categorically has "not ruled out" military force against a NATO ally. First source, but there are many: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/04/world/greenland-annexatio... This has, for obvious reasons, been huge news in all of Europe and especially in Denmark. I'm sure MAGA Americans want to hand-wave it away, and since Trump is so…

See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=44340630

Trump says many things that nobody actually believes.

Edit: @ujkhsjkdhf234 Answering your question from below here:

>Trump says many things no one believes then he does. Stop steelmanning for Trump.

That's actually a good political strategy in tough times: Keep your opponents always unsure about what you're gonna do next. Why do you think Putin invaded Ukraine under Biden and not under Trump?

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