Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

Post by pjc50 » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 8:45 AM UTC

lmm wrote: post #258

pjc50 wrote: post #256

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> Enacted at the state level, sure. But it was against the will of the national electorate and they knew it. This is the most extreme version of the anti-states rights argument and effectively claims the California legislature shouldn't exist.

There are plenty of things that are rightly decided at state level. That doesn't mean it's OK for states to undermine the rules the populace (via their duly elected federal representatives) have chosen to make law at federal level. (And in any case it would be practically impossible to set immigration policy at state level, given that we don't have any intranational border control).

Post by know-how » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 9:14 AM UTC

duxup wrote: post #4

The whole story of telling ICE agents to just go out and find people on their own seems like a setup to empower the executive branch to have their own group of thugs. Without guidance they do what want outside the judicial system and sensible oversight / rules. This seems to be a pattern in most non democratic countries...

Post by soco » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 9:33 AM UTC

apparent wrote: post #192

dragonwriter wrote: post #143

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He was, in fact, arrested for asking to see a warrant, that is clearly documented. The claims of assault that DHS fabricated and published on social media and via other channels after the fact to justify it, of which there is no evidence, before Lander was released without any charges are interesting in terms of understanding the current regime's propaganda propensity, but have nothing to do with explaining the event…

CBS reports he was arrested for assaulting an officer and impeding a federal enforcement action, or some such thing.

Post by Juliate » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 10:04 AM UTC

blindriver wrote: post #69

Juliate wrote: post #46

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Factually and obviously false.

It takes a simple google to figure out that you are incorrect. If an arrest warrant exists, police need to produce an arrest warrant as soon as possible but not at time of arrest.

Post by Juliate » Wed, Jun 18, 2025, 10:09 AM UTC

metalcrow wrote: post #198

Juliate wrote: post #40

There's a thing I don't get, as a non-USAmerican. If someone unidentified, masked, showing no warrant, no legal justification of anything, kidnaps/attempts to kidnap someone, how are (organised) citizens not in their legitimate right to retaliate, according to what their local state allows them to? Similarly, why/how are the law enforcement units not taking side against those kidnapping? I mean, in my country, this w…

In theory, they are within their rights to retaliate. If an unknown person tried to kidnap you and doesn't present any form of ID, you have a very very strong case of self defense and genuine threat, and that would likely (IANAL) hold up in court if you ended up shooting them. It ended up holding up for Randy Weaver! You would want to surrender immediately upon being shown some ID, of course, but you could get away w…