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OpenAI wins $200M U.S. defense contract

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Re: OpenAI wins $200M U.S. defense contract

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That 200 Million is chump change only to people who think like chumps. In reality it is total waste, unproductive taxation that doubles as a counter balance to inflation, so doubly wasteful. Chump together all the 100s of millions in waste year over year; the change to your chumping is not good change, its inflation and general impoverishment. Every penny of that 200 is a note in the bank of inflation and degradation…

I believe this is implied in the parent's post. We fund the military industrial complex to such a ludicrous degree that $200m can just disappear on bullshit contracts to cronies that go nowhere, and politicians don't bat an eye. Nobody with power cares about the debt. They just keep borrowing money and handing it to the defense industry. This is one of only a handful of issues on which there is bipartisan agreement.

Yes, the real government is the one in agreement, and the "handful of issues" account for almost all of the spending. Their disagreements, in budget terms and in reality, are cheap and pretentious theatrics.

But I doubt the politicians "don't bat an eye" at 200M, for they know that money is going straight out of the economy and into private coffers.

The government budgeters are not naive to the economics of military spending. The cope about pennies on the tax dollar is naive about both economics and what the government is really doing.

This idea that government is incapable, dumb, and prone to mismanagement is a harmful rationalization, and simply not true. If anything, this thinking excuses the government to act that way, and then there is no way of knowing if they are purposefully mismanaging or doing so because incapable.

Re: OpenAI wins $200M U.S. defense contract

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Does anyone have any idea what the DoD could possibly want from OpenAI? Less accurate/more sycophantic missiles?

Some of the more popular models (NIPRGPT, the various DREN models) are “soft banned” and DoD is in need of a unified solution. MSFT’s GCC HIGH and GovCloud implementations have been slow to materialize. But more to your point - everyone is using LLM’s to pick up the slack from layoffs. Im sitting in meetings and watching my gov customers generate documentation and proposals everyday. Everything the commercial world u…

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Re: OpenAI wins $200M U.S. defense contract

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Anyone else angered by the fact that these military companies have named themselves using words from Tolkien's works? Andruil, Palantir... it makes a mockery of the things that Tolkien stood for and I hate it.

After seeing that demo of the drone bursting over a pick up truck, I wonder the developers high five each other like "f yeah!"

edit: to be clear I'm not anti-gun, and I understand needing to protect, USA is probably what it is because of things like the 7th fleet so I can enjoy my life.

idk moral highground too, can always counter that like "do you donate all of your spare money to needy people"

the challenges involved are interesting, recently was watching a video on crosspol jamming for example

somebody has to do it

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>"Value" is a loaded term as used here. Not all value is economic. Most value has a degree of judgement involved. No it isn't. Most value CAN be objectively measured. I'll give you examples. US outspends all the other developed nations at healthcare, education, childcare and yet is behind them all in actual results with poor education, high infant motility and lower life expectancy. That's what waste and corruption d…

> Germany beats France at military spending and yet it's military is significantly less capable than France's. No idea if that's true. But my impression was that France's military has been rather more...active post WW2 than Germany's. So maybe it's just about practice and readiness to go to war.

The French are not just active, they have capabilities Germany straight-up lacks.

A nuclear aircraft carrier, nuclear ballistic missile submarines, solid overseas expeditionary capability (France could sustain a few thousand troops in Africa, Germany almost certainly could not match that), and a few amphibious assault ships, to name several big ones that immediately come to mind.

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>US healthcare [...] are private, not government. What's Medicare and Medicaid and why do they cost the government over 2 trillion? On a per capital basis, even if you don't include private healthcare spending, the US stil spends more per capita on healthcare than the other developed countries. https://www.pgpf.org/article/how-does-government-healthcare-...

> why do they cost the government over 2 trillion? Because these are interacting with and purchasing services from a market-driven healthcare system which is optimized for profit, not health outcomes.

Thanks for defining corruption.

Re: OpenAI wins $200M U.S. defense contract

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"Value" is a loaded term as used here. Not all value is economic. Most value has a degree of judgement involved. No it isn't. Most value CAN be objectively measured. I'll give you examples. US outspends all the other developed nations at healthcare, education, childcare and yet is behind them all in actual results with poor education, high infant motility and lower life expectancy. That's what waste and corruption d…

What would you say determines the market price of a kilometer of "basic road"?

What do you define the market price of someone roofing your house? Same shizz different scale.

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> Germany beats France at military spending and yet it's military is significantly less capable than France's. No idea if that's true. But my impression was that France's military has been rather more...active post WW2 than Germany's. So maybe it's just about practice and readiness to go to war.

The French are not just active, they have capabilities Germany straight-up lacks. A nuclear aircraft carrier, nuclear ballistic missile submarines, solid overseas expeditionary capability (France could sustain a few thousand troops in Africa, Germany almost certainly could not match that), and a few amphibious assault ships, to name several big ones that immediately come to mind.

France developed a nuclear program immediately after WW2 in order to not depend on America for nuclear security. For obvious reasons Germany didn't do that.

Germany didn't need expeditionary capability after the war. It probably doesn't need to project force beyond its continent even today. France regularly had military entanglements in its former colonies, and probably still does. Capability is a function of necessity.

Re: OpenAI wins $200M U.S. defense contract

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Anyone else angered by the fact that these military companies have named themselves using words from Tolkien's works? Andruil, Palantir... it makes a mockery of the things that Tolkien stood for and I hate it.

The Air Force’s use of Star Wars IP, specifically their use of the Millennium Falcon in the Kessel Run project, is also enraging.

See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessel_Run

Re: OpenAI wins $200M U.S. defense contract

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Anyone else angered by the fact that these military companies have named themselves using words from Tolkien's works? Andruil, Palantir... it makes a mockery of the things that Tolkien stood for and I hate it.

Which things does it mock? Tolkien served in WW1 and trained to be a code breaker in WW2. I feel he may have seen value in military technology.
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