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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #253
Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

LA is actively supporting illegal immigrants. If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it.

> If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it

Doing the arrests? Sure. Intimidating protesters for partisan messaging while desecrating the honour of our armed forces? No.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #245

Politics aside, LA just can't seem to catch a break. Floods last year, fires earlier this year and now this. That said, what the current administration is doing is almost like they're following a manual other countries followed on their road to nationalistic decline and all the right people in places of power seem to know this. I wonder if they're ready for it? My observation is that the previous administration had f…

> LA just can't seem to catch a break. Floods last year, fires earlier this year and now this

I'm in LA right now. If I didn't read the news I wouldn't know anything is up.

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Post by drewcoo »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #223

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

The reason is Posse Comitatus. It's in place because enough people were fed up with federal troops being used to impose "law."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by DoodahMan »

sh34r wrote: post #11

I wonder how many civilians will be disappeared before a Dem governor finds their balls and musters the state militia. There’s millions of patriots out there just waiting for the call to action. This nonviolent shit will get you killed. MLK was a gun owner. If that kind of talk worries you, consider how much uglier it will be when the good people of LA form unregulated militias instead. Do you really want to see Ruby…

The idea of unregulated blue state militias has me chuckling a bit, given how said states have largely neutered their citizen's ability to own capable rifles.

We are to depend on our trusted local law enforcement to protect us, as well as our valiant governors who will assuredly call up local guards to do the same. Examples of brave, novel Democratic resistance to Trump abound these days. There's no need to worry!

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

thecrash wrote: post #225
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the difficulty of this is how much Trump absolutely wants to escalate things, because it fits right into his narrative. I've seen lots of pictures of protestors waving Mexican flags, and of the burning Waymos, etc. My guess is these are a very small percentage of protestors, but it makes for great TV, and Trump gets to say that he's "protecting America against violent foreign invaders". And I can imagine many…

> I consider myself quite liberal, but waving a Mexican flag at these events just makes me think you can fuck right off with that bullshit. I'm confused, you consider yourself quite liberal but you think it's bullshit for Mexicans in the US to celebrate their heritage?

Puhleese. Yeah, the guy in this video is simply "celebrating his heritage", https://nypost.com/2025/06/08/us-news/mexican-flag-waving-ma....

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Post by DidYaWipe »

motorest wrote: post #170
ivape wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on.

> It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on. From an outsider's view, everything looks so performative and fabricated to be consumed by a tv target audience. I mean, if there is so much illegal immigration in the US, is it the most effective use of resources to…

That's just one of many problems with this whole lie.

The best is Trump crowing about historically low unemployment numbers, and then peddling hysteria about illegals "taking American jobs." None of his degenerate followers care that this argument is stupid, and calls them stupid.

Now it's been papered over with other excuses, like the mythical "fentanyl" that's pouring in from Canada.

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Post by mindslight »

b33j0r wrote: post #190
toast0 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where a vote is cast matters. You can cast a protest vote for president in states like California or Idaho. You probably shouldn't cast a protest vote in a state that doesn't have such a regular electoral margin. There is often room for influence down ballot as well.

Gotcha, but. The whole point of a protest vote is to influence other people. Doesn’t that influence cross precinct boundaries these days? The only effect of any protest vote is to tell your friends. Hasan had a lot of friends. Arab communities in Michigan had a lot of friends. Never-never Trumpers had a lot of friends. I personally believe that a personal political strategy should have a conscientious goal, cognizant…

> you preserve your ideals by helping elect an autocrat from the other side

Harris was an authoritarian, but not an autocrat. People got sick of ever-growing bureaucratic authoritarianism, but made the mistake of thinking the problem was the bureaucracy rather than the authoritarianism. So now the bureaucracy has been smashed and we are left with autocratic authoritarianism.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

leereeves wrote: post #220
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-... Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said "you had people who were...attacking police officers, deputy sheriffs and causing a lot of destruction." The 101 Freeway shut dow…

> One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line

So less violence towards law enforcement and insurrection than January 6th. Action the President endorsed in January by issuing pardons.

Honestly, if a Democrat were to match Trump's energy, they'd be promising pardons to protesters who damaged ICE property or torched a Trump property. They're not. In part because they're rudderless. But also because they're still gripped by the notion that we're not in the midst of a coup.

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Post by onli »

woodruffw wrote: post #5
gnabgib wrote: post #3

Related: Trump deploys National Guard as Los Angeles protests against immigration agents (105 points, 2 days ago, 50 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44214230 The National Guard Deployment in LA Is a Threat to Democracy (15 points, 7 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44230137 (Although you'd think 2000 National Guard troops would be enough without the 700 Marines)

I don't think it's about the numbers at all -- he's seeing whether anybody will stop him from nakedly violating posse comitatus[1]. The President can of course dispatch the military for domestic law enforcement, but to do so he needs to establish a legal exception, like the Insurrection Act. That hasn't happened yet. [1]: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/poss...

He does not have to care anymore. He realised he will not be prosecuted - the supreme court gave him king status after all, and all prosecution before failed to have consequences - so he can do whatever he wants. As you said, he checks if there is anyone who will stop him, which at this point would be an armed revolution or a coup d'État by the military.

The USA is a dictatorship now, the trump cult has won. Let's hope it crumbles fast.

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Post by curtisblaine »

ivape wrote: post #150
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on.

I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying ICE should deport on.. merit basis? Leave the hardest working immigrants be and deport the lazy ones?
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