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Re: Deepseek R1-0528

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Post by thatcat » Sat, May 31, 2025, 3:49 PM UTC

ljosifov wrote: post #260

thatcat wrote: post #258

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The industrial revolution was powered by natural resources that it helped unlock. What value reserve will ai tap into to create hockey stick growth?

It will recombine the existing resources in new ways. Neanderthals had access to exactly the same natural resources as we have now. Obviously we do much more with what we both got, then they ever did. Obviously it's not only the availability of some atoms or molecules, but what one does with them, how one recombines them in novel ways. For that one needs knowledge and energy. And the later mostly turns out can be der…

Obviously it's what we do with them, the biotech manufacturing and nuclear power production revolution happened pre AI. The reason it hasn't replaced petroleum is economic and social.

Re: Deepseek R1-0528

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 05, 2025, 4:10 AM UTC

ljosifov wrote: post #243

ratamacue wrote: post #229

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My brain was largely trained using immense amounts of copyrighted material as well. Some of it I can even regurgitate almost exactly. I could list the names of many of the copyrighted works I have read/watched/listened to. I suppose my brain isn't open source, although I don't think it would currently be illegal to take a snapshot of my brain and publish it if the technology existed and open-source that. Granted, thi…

:-) I like the symmetry of this. If I want to keep my creations outside the hands of others, I can keep them private. I don’t have to publish these words or broadcast them to the world. I could write this on my laptop, save it in a file, and keep it to myself. Fine. However, once these words are broadcast—once they’re read, and the ideas expressed here enter someone else’s mind—I believe it’s only fair that the perso…

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Re: Deepseek R1-0528

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 05, 2025, 4:13 AM UTC

ljosifov wrote: post #243

ratamacue wrote: post #229

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My brain was largely trained using immense amounts of copyrighted material as well. Some of it I can even regurgitate almost exactly. I could list the names of many of the copyrighted works I have read/watched/listened to. I suppose my brain isn't open source, although I don't think it would currently be illegal to take a snapshot of my brain and publish it if the technology existed and open-source that. Granted, thi…

:-) I like the symmetry of this. If I want to keep my creations outside the hands of others, I can keep them private. I don’t have to publish these words or broadcast them to the world. I could write this on my laptop, save it in a file, and keep it to myself. Fine. However, once these words are broadcast—once they’re read, and the ideas expressed here enter someone else’s mind—I believe it’s only fair that the perso…

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Re: Deepseek R1-0528

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Post by MrSkelter » Thu, Jun 05, 2025, 9:28 AM UTC

ratamacue wrote: post #229

pradn wrote: post #114

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Isn't it basically not possible for the input data set list to be listed? It's an open secret all these labs are using immense amounts of copyrighted material. There's a few efforts at full open data / open weight / open code models, but none of them have gotten to leading-edge performance.

My brain was largely trained using immense amounts of copyrighted material as well. Some of it I can even regurgitate almost exactly. I could list the names of many of the copyrighted works I have read/watched/listened to. I suppose my brain isn't open source, although I don't think it would currently be illegal to take a snapshot of my brain and publish it if the technology existed and open-source that. Granted, thi…

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of copyright.

Copyright isn’t violated when someone consumes a copyrighted work.

Copyright is violated when a copyrighted work is used by someone who isn’t the author to generate profit without prior permission.

You can read a copyrighted book and remember it. You cannot copy it and sell copies. If you want to excerpt it you must give credit and there are limits to what’s considered “fair use”.