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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by xnx » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:51 PM UTC

bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

> How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy?

The lag and that cursor makes it feel like trying to type with mittens on.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by lawgimenez » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:52 PM UTC

throwingrocks wrote: post #193

This comment section is predictably boring and shows that HN isn’t always a great place for discourse. Change is hard, I guess.

Majority of the users here haven’t even implemented a single material design.

Our app has been 100% Jetpack Compose Material 3 for over a year and user growth has been phenomenal.

We’re not US based though.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by dcre » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:52 PM UTC

edoceo wrote: post #220

kiliancs wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also seemingly went out of their way to prevent ctrl/cmd+click on several anchor elements in pages like https://m3.material.io/components .

Arrreg!! So many of these React (et al) sites, with poorly re-built elements and break the built-in functionality! The A tag works perfect! But no, we need three or four nested divs, components, and many lines of JS to end up with something worse. Is React the driver? Do devs just not know? Is management pushing garbage?

If you render an in React (or Angular, which I think they're using here), it's just an ! You have to do extra work to fuck it up!

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by ArinaS » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:53 PM UTC

bflesch wrote: post #120

How did these clowns manage to make my mouse cursor laggy? It is incomprehensible for me to live in such a big bubble with such a big paycheck and then spend zero brainpower on systems without graphics acceleration. This is extremely bad engineering and these engineers should be called out for it. It takes a special kind of person to deliver this and be proud of it. Once they made their millions at Google these engin…

The "beauty" of websites built solely with javascript.

As if they couldn't build an absolutely identical page with just HTML and CSS. But no, javascript is the way for them because it has way more tracking and fingerprinting abilities than plain HTML and CSS.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by chanux » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:54 PM UTC

I'm posting this here assuming I'd likely come across someone who knows this stuff.

Of all the UIs I have used, Github UI especially give me a sense of solid UI. As in there's nothing finicky about it and gives a sense of dependability (Since way before big-corp acquisition). I'm pretty sure I do not have the vocabulary to explain further.

So if anyone gets what I mean please chime in and help me understand what leads to this experience. Any related writeups/links very much appreciated.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by cut3 » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:54 PM UTC

Im dying inside at the thought of outsourced junior designers redoing gcp dashboards this way. im already confused enough in there.

no company uses material design since v1 so this isnt going to infect anyone else but all google apps are about to get worse it seems

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by lebowska » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:55 PM UTC

myfonj wrote: post #195

Let me share with you my brief but very intensive user story of the "M3 web": 1. User visits https://m3.material.io/develop/web . 2. User suffers unsolicited and redundant gooey animation of an "orange-violet blob-like thingamajig" unrelated to the topic. This happens despite user's clearly communicated "prefers-reduced-motion" setting that other sites usually respect. 3. User struggles to find how to stop said thing…

Best thing about this, is that these components, the web version of the material 3, that in my opinion should also be the best showcase of this visual language, are not even updated to this latest "expressive" update. Why? Because they're in in maintenance mode.

https://github.com/material-components/material-web/discussi...

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by dcrazy » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:56 PM UTC

jansan wrote: post #97

vvillena wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone not familiar with previous designs, each component in https://m3.material.io/components has a "comparison with Material v2" section.

Biggest change seems to be that everything is round and purple now. It looks more playful and less professional. Edit: I dislike their recent color picks. First that teal in Google Maps, now the purple. Why? Are they trying to copy the color paltette of the first Mecedes A-Class (aka "Listerine" colors [1][2])? [1] https://prestigeandperformancecar.com/wp-content/uploads/A97... [2] https://image.stern.de/31749130/t/A…

Those cars look like driveable iMacs.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by marcusb » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:56 PM UTC

cube00 wrote: post #189

Raed667 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Ticket Closed] resolution: user should buy a macbook pro with at least the M3 processor /s

SecOps put CrowdStrike's Falcon and Windows Defender on our Macs so we'd have about 20% CPU left for our actual dev work. That's not an exaggeration, staring at the System Monitor is all you can do when everything is locked up. The Android emulator sucks the remainder with ease. The app performs better on a low end Android burner phone then our dev machines so at least we know our users are having a reasonable experi…

I had a couple of customers that deployed 7 endpoint security tools of the "hook into processes and inspect everything" variety. The exact mix was customer-specific, but if you're wondering what that looks like:

* Stand-alone "best of breed" endpoint DLP

* Stand-alone "best of breed" EDR

* Process whitelisting tool

* NAC posture assessment agent

* Three different AV agents

This is not even counting their VPN client(s) or the third party disk encryption agent they used.

I marveled at how they even got all of the agents to coexist, let alone have enough CPU left for people to do their jobs.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by xnx » Fri, May 16, 2025, 2:56 PM UTC

Resume driven design is one of the worst forces in modern technology. Every designer is looking to make a name for themself by building a bespoke design system/language/framework. The best design is less design.