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From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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On October 25, 1988, I gave Steve Jobs a demo of pie menus, NeWS, UniPress Emacs and HyperTIES at the Educom conference in Washington DC. His reaction was to jump up and down, point at the screen, and yell “That sucks! That sucks! Wow, that’s neat! That sucks!” I tried explaining how we’d performed an experiment proving pie menus were faster than linear menus, but he insisted the liner menus in NeXT Step were the bes…

Do you mean like a radial menu? I love those and I don't understand why more software doesn't use them. The GTA V weapon wheel is a great interface for selecting a weapon, and they are really fast to use in Blender.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Took a while to get a first name @ company email address.

I work for a large company 50k employees (not in IT) with the standard email format .@company.com

The company has a automated way to change your email address if your name changes, so I changed my last name to @. which allowed me officialy change my email address to .@company.com. Then raised an IT fault to get my email address 'fixed' and remove the . after my name.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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Everyone in my entire team - best of engineering as well as every manager left. Underpaying and over subscribing people has become a hallmark over there - it's just a body shop now. Engineers are just numbers on a sheet, to be exploited, chewed and cast aside when they eventually burnout. Upper management has no vision and everyone's constantly firefighting and struggling to catch up with competitors who had long ter…

"Engineers are just numbers on a sheet, to be exploited, chewed and cast aside when they eventually burnout." This is exactly how Epic the Electronic Medical Record company operates, but on new college grads instead of Engineers.

Most of the industry and most series C/D startups are like that. It’s a sad state boys and girls. Once you’ve been here long enough, disillusionment sets in. Corporate greed, (em)powered by shareholder greed, takes top priority.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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On October 25, 1988, I gave Steve Jobs a demo of pie menus, NeWS, UniPress Emacs and HyperTIES at the Educom conference in Washington DC. His reaction was to jump up and down, point at the screen, and yell “That sucks! That sucks! Wow, that’s neat! That sucks!” I tried explaining how we’d performed an experiment proving pie menus were faster than linear menus, but he insisted the liner menus in NeXT Step were the bes…

Do you mean like a radial menu? I love those and I don't understand why more software doesn't use them. The GTA V weapon wheel is a great interface for selecting a weapon, and they are really fast to use in Blender.

Yes that's right! The pie menus in Blender are wonderful, as is the whole Blender app, ecosystem, and community.

Here's the paper we published in 1988 showing that pie menus were 15% faster and had significantly lower error rates than linear menus, which I 3/4 unsuccessfully tried to explain and demonstrate to Steve Jobs. (At least I got three "that sucks" to one "Wow, that’s neat" out of him. ;)

An Empirical Comparison of Pie vs. Linear Menus. Jack Callahan, Don Hopkins, Mark Weiser, and Ben Shneiderman, ACM SIGCHI '88:

https://donhopkins.medium.com/an-empirical-comparison-of-pie...

The purpose of visualization is insight, not pictures: An interview with visualization pioneer Ben Shneiderman:

https://medium.com/multiple-views-visualization-research-exp...

Here is a 30 year retrospective of pie menus that I wrote 7 years ago (the 37 year anniversary of the paper is coming up in a few days on May 15):

https://donhopkins.medium.com/pie-menus-936fed383ff1

Lots of demos of different kinds of pie menus here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KfeHNIXYUc&list=PLX66BqHq0q...

It's near impossible to convince people like Steve Jobs and organizations like Apple, Microsoft, Sun, Open Software Foundation, and even less open-to-outside-ideas open source projects like GIMP, to adopt unconventional ideas like pie menus.

One of Blender's outstanding qualities is that they listen to their users and don't suffer from NIH syndrome, fortunately!

I got frustrated at trying to get pie menus into official corporate user interface toolkits, and took a job in the game industry at Maxis, where you're not only allowed but even required to roll your own user interface, and got them into SimCity and The Sims:

The Sims, Pie Menus, Edith Editing, and SimAntics Visual Programming Demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-exdu4ETscs

Open Sourcing SimCity, by Chaim Gingold:

https://donhopkins.medium.com/open-sourcing-simcity-58470a27...

X11 SimCity Demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvi98wVUmQA

Multi Player SimCityNet for X11 on Linux:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fVl4dGwUrA

Micropolis Online (SimCity) Web Demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8snnqQSI0GE

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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You could also register a domain for free by sending an email form to a bot. It was truly the wild frontier.

The sheer number of multi-million dollar value domains you could snag in those days was wild. All that ended when it changed to, IIRC, $200/2yr and everyone suddenly dropped all their parked domains.

We were all a bit high and mighty and believed commercial use of the Internet was an awful idea. So grabbing any domain for selling things (cars.com, movies.com, sex.com) was out of the question. We were so, so wrong.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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This post is particularly funny to me as well as I also had a very common name@apple.com email and I would often get sensitive emails, including travel info, sent to me - despite the fact that I had worked there longer than most peers. I eventually grew so annoyed with it that I ended up surrendering the email to said person as it was a losing battle.

Was it this guy?

https://xkcd.com/1279/

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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post #264

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When did Apple start issuing stock/RSUs? Probably only in 2004 when Google got rich

https://contracts.justia.com/companies/apple-111/contract/95... 2003, when the share price was $0.37

Nit: share price was not $0.37, there's been a couple stock splits since.

Re: From: Steve Jobs. "Great idea, thank you."

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post #264

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When did Apple start issuing stock/RSUs? Probably only in 2004 when Google got rich

https://contracts.justia.com/companies/apple-111/contract/95... 2003, when the share price was $0.37

$0.37 is the split-adjusted price, it was never actually quoted that low at the time (for anyone wondering if Apple really used to be a penny stock in the early 2000s).
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