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Suno v4.5
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Re: Suno v4.5
#262I have a hypothesis that AI music and other arts will not take off. My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. Not only because you might think a piece of music is lame because it was made by AI vs a human. But also because all the things that bring you back to a piece of art is wrapped up in the person that made it. People who are immense fans of the Beatles, Taylor Swift or…
> My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. This presupposes that people are still able to tell the difference between computer-generated and human-generated music, which, in my opinion (as a trained musician and former producer), is no longer the case for the majority of people. Music and musicians undoubtedly also fulfill an "idol function." But the industry has long since…
"Wow this song is great! Who's song is this?"
"It's AI!"
"Oh."
I've literally seen this happen, in person.
The song doesn't get passed to friends. The artist themselves is the transmission mechanism.
> With "Milli Vanilli," they took it to the extreme by having the "musicians" no longer sing themselves
This simply proves my point, not detracts from it.
You can try to make an AI into an actual human (see Miquela) but the fakeness of that is simply insurmountable. Miquela hasn't had breakout success.
There's something very condescending in the elite culture of the past 10 years (it's starting to go away) that thinks you can get successful by being fake. It assumes the masses are stupid.
They are not.
Re: Suno v4.5
#26316-bit blends (i.e. 16-bit Portuguese) do not feel like proper 16-bit sound. Right now it probably blends the styles together, taking elements from both, but not following the required restrictions.
Most of the electronic genres (house, trance...) sound very wrong.
Lyrics are way overused, sound like eurodance, and are just overall disconnected from the music.
The music feels very generic, as if you landed in the biggest tourist trap instead of a proper nightclub.
Re: Suno v4.5
#264One of Suno's biggest weakness is their lyrics generation, and that you can't generate lyrics without also generating a song. I think it's better to use a different LLM to generate and iterate on lyrics, which you can then pass to Suno in order to generate a final song. If anyone here has a subscription and they can spare the tokens, I think it would be fun if someone shared a song about Hacker News. I'm hoping that…
This song was produced a long time ago from a verbatim hacker news comment, and got released on Spotify and Apple and became a favorite at home. Your comment inspired me to upgrade it to 4.5 because it did have that AI tinny quality. https://suno.com/s/tbZlkBL7XeLVuuN0 It sounds better but has lost some magic. Here is the original comment - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39997706 In that spirit, from the same “…
> In that spirit, from the same “artist” here is your comment - https://suno.com/s/AumsIqrIovVhT0c9
I am feeling a deja vu with that vocal part at 0:40. I definitely heard something similar somewhere.
Re: Suno v4.5
#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
> My reasoning is that the fact that it was made by another human is really important. This presupposes that people are still able to tell the difference between computer-generated and human-generated music, which, in my opinion (as a trained musician and former producer), is no longer the case for the majority of people. Music and musicians undoubtedly also fulfill an "idol function." But the industry has long since…
"Wow this song is great! Who's song is this?" "It's AI!" "Oh." I've literally seen this happen, in person. The song doesn't get passed to friends. The artist themselves is the transmission mechanism. > With "Milli Vanilli," they took it to the extreme by having the "musicians" no longer sing themselves This simply proves my point, not detracts from it. You can try to make an AI into an actual human (see Miquela) but…
My wive just discovered the "ambient house p-funk" style on Suno (https://suno.com/style/ambient%20house%20p-funk) and listens to it all day, not caring a single second who played it and whether the author is human. And if you look at the developments on Spotify you can well see that most people fetch music by mood or playlist and rarely care about who composed, produced or played the music, even if the meta data are available; music has become an anonymous commodity. I also spend several hours just pressing the random selection button, curious and stunned about whatever track this system generates. I don't miss the human aspect at all: it just sounds human.
Re: Suno v4.5
#266Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.
I hope no songwriters have listened to Sony music or they could be in trouble.
Suno is not a songwriter.
Re: Suno v4.5
#267The biggest impact Generative Music had on my life was for wedding skits. Families that wanted a funny song about the bride filled with anecdotes didn't need talent anymore. The first time I heard it, it was incredible. The 2nd wedding that did it, it started to feel boring. The 3rd time, everyone hated it. Similar to image-generation, we're getting tired really fast of cookie-cutter art. I don't know how to feel abo…
Our daughter's kindergarten has their own generated hymn. The kids love it. In times the teachers rarely have musical skills it compensates for this.
I find it so weird that in this age of credentialism and unnecessary qualifications, most kindergarten teachers have no idea how to play the 3 chords on a ukelele which allow them to play basically every kids song and lead a singalong
Re: Suno v4.5
#268Earlier quoted context omitted.
All books are derivative too, the English ones use the same 26 characters over and over.
The 26 characters with a thousand @font-faces.
It's actually surprising how many ways and styles humans invented to draw the same letters; that amount of talent and creativity AI models do not have, at least now.
Re: Suno v4.5
#269Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you think song and image generators can't make creative things, the problem is between the seat and keyboard. It is unfortunately that simple. 4o as an image generator can create out of distribution images because it literally works at a conceptual level. Suno currently is limited architecturally to in distribution components, so trying to create instruments or vocal styles it never heard won't work. The parts tha…
Tell me you don't know the first thing about making pictures or music without telling me you don't know the first thing about making pictures or music.
Nah he's right. Gatekeeping art and "the process" is as old as time.