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Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by Dylan16807 »

tptacek wrote: post #259
Dylan16807 wrote: post #257

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> Why? Everybody can just not buy the wallet if they care about this term of use. Who's being harmed? Either because it's ridiculous and fun to laugh at, or to scare other companies off the idea, or both. It being a luxury product that people can avoid is not a reason to keep my mouth shut. > At some point you're really effectively just arguing that there should be a ceiling on what you can charge for a typeface. Tha…

But that clearly isn't happening . You have never had more access to high-end typefaces than you do today. What people are mad about is the licensing attached to --- literally --- the Hermès of type design. To get higher-level than the targets of these complaints you have to get into bespoke design. This came up earlier in the thread, and I kept someone else on the hook on this: I honestly think that it would be a go…

> What people are mad about is the licensing attached to --- literally --- the Hermès of type design.

Hmm, okay. If that's true then OP is just wrong.

The problem is this argument wasn't clear from your initial comment. You claimed that there were plenty of excellent free options, while they claimed that the market had generally gone to very onerous pricing. Both of those can be true at the same time.

But if most of the market hasn't done that, and they're only looking at the top, then okay they're wrong.

Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by scripturial »

rglover wrote: post #94

I would happily pay for any font if I could get individual weights for say $5-$10 and entire families for $20-100 with any usage I want (print, web, etc). I feel like font foundries would print money this way. But for most projects, $300+ for a nice family (that can only be used in a hyper-specific context) is just insane when many free or cheaper alternatives exist. Used to waste time and money with foundry stuff un…

I suspect it is probably right that they would find it more profitable to sell 100 copies for $10 than 1 copy for $1000. But I do wonder, it could be that the occasional $10,000 sale to a large company pays more in the long run for less hassle. It’s hard to know. Do any creative agencies release their sales information?

I’d say there should at least be a small niece for a company to profit off the back of less expensive more reasonably licensed font sales. I don’t know how many lawyers a small company would need to do this though. Would they be sued by Adobe (either for fonts that look similar, or with pointless lawsuits just to wear them out?)

Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by scripturial »

neilpanchal wrote: post #107
jmwilson wrote: post #103

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The lack of the ohm symbol Ω is also quite a bummer given the technical domain of the font.

Agree, I need to work on the full greek glyphset.

If you could remember to include Ancient Greek (pre 1980) accent combinations that would be awesome. It’s not that many extra accents.

(Many Greek fonts today don’t draw the accents and breathings that are used in older texts)

Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by scripturial »

wyager wrote: post #66
homebrewer wrote: post #57

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The "peak of perfection" does not support even just European languages, not having full coverage even for Latin scripts. But it's a "love letter for the golden age of computing", and the golden age had massive problems with scripts for languages other than English, so maybe it's intentional. https://usgraphics.com/static/products/TX-02/datasheet/TX-02...

What percentage of monospace text on the internet uses random obscure glyphs? This isn't really a practical problem.

Pretty much anyone coding in another language. Coders do sometimes buy fonts if they are into fonts and nice terminals.

Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by hiccuphippo »

gkoberger wrote: post #109
tptacek wrote: post #92

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There is maybe nothing in the entire world that I am less sympathetic towards than the cause of font piracy / font liberation. You have perfectly good --- in fact, historically excellent --- fonts loaded by default for free on any computer you buy today. Arguing for the oppression of font licenses is, to me, like arguing about how much it costs to buy something at Hermès. Just don't shop at Hermès.

I agree the average person is likely fine with the fonts on their computer, but this is profoundly misunderstanding the importance of design. Typefaces are incredibly important, and have been for centuries. I'd argue that complaining about font prices is less like a Hermes bag, and more like complaining about high-end ingredients when a supermarket has cheap stuff. Yes, you can get away with cheaper materials when co…

To buy fonts you have to care about design but not too much. If you do then you'll draw your text so it's a unique "font" instead of buying a premade font that other people can also buy.

Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by hiccuphippo »

devnullbrain wrote: post #196
dismalaf wrote: post #185

fonts.google.com has 1816 different font families that are all open-source. So no, I wouldn't steal a font when there's so many available for free.

There are many movies available for free

Some of them even use those free fonts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhlJNJopOQ

Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by smcameron »

gkoberger wrote: post #109
tptacek wrote: post #92

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There is maybe nothing in the entire world that I am less sympathetic towards than the cause of font piracy / font liberation. You have perfectly good --- in fact, historically excellent --- fonts loaded by default for free on any computer you buy today. Arguing for the oppression of font licenses is, to me, like arguing about how much it costs to buy something at Hermès. Just don't shop at Hermès.

I agree the average person is likely fine with the fonts on their computer, but this is profoundly misunderstanding the importance of design. Typefaces are incredibly important, and have been for centuries. I'd argue that complaining about font prices is less like a Hermes bag, and more like complaining about high-end ingredients when a supermarket has cheap stuff. Yes, you can get away with cheaper materials when co…

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Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by xboxnolifes »

Suppafly wrote: post #99
kccqzy wrote: post #81

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What do you suppose they should do to the original authors? Perhaps the original author is Claude Garamond who died in the sixteenth century? Or the unknown workers who carved the inscription at Trajan's column in the second century AD?

So you understand the issue, it's derivative works all the way down.

When people say "make completely by themselves", they don't mean that were not influenced by literally no prior works. Artists can say they painted an original work entirely by themselves without needing a pedant to mention that they were probably influenced by prior work.

Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by [deleted] »

fmbb wrote: post #113
gkoberger wrote: post #109

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I agree the average person is likely fine with the fonts on their computer, but this is profoundly misunderstanding the importance of design. Typefaces are incredibly important, and have been for centuries. I'd argue that complaining about font prices is less like a Hermes bag, and more like complaining about high-end ingredients when a supermarket has cheap stuff. Yes, you can get away with cheaper materials when co…

There are roughly zero apps out there that would ”deeply suffer” from having to use freely available and/or system supported fonts.

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Re: You wouldn't steal a font

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Post by threatofrain »

tptacek wrote: post #92
phony-account wrote: post #24

Is this the wrong time to rant about font licensing though? I’ve always bought and paid for fonts, but as I’ve gradually transitioned to mobile app development, I one day realized that all the fonts I bought for print are now worthless to me. These crazy outdated licenses that let you print as many magazines or books you want forever, for a one-time price. But if your hobby is making apps, then suddenly the same font…

There is maybe nothing in the entire world that I am less sympathetic towards than the cause of font piracy / font liberation. You have perfectly good --- in fact, historically excellent --- fonts loaded by default for free on any computer you buy today. Arguing for the oppression of font licenses is, to me, like arguing about how much it costs to buy something at Hermès. Just don't shop at Hermès.

I'd say the same about shows and movies, which is where the supermajority of this conversation is typically focused, especially given how much free content is over YouTube.
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