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Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by lucideer »

dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

I love Spotify's algorithm. My wife loves my Spotify algorithm & hates her own so I know it's not universally great but it's still incredibly impressive & I value it a lot.

That said: there's trade-offs. I don't browse music forums but I have in the past (when I had more time) & it's incredibly rewarding. I also get a lot more value from new music discovered through friends than through Spotify - there's something about intentionality that adds to the listening experience. I love when Spotify plays me a great song from an artist I've never heard, but I'm much more likely to seek out that artist on a personal recommendation.

Not everyone has the time, energy or expertise to host Jellyfin, but for those of us that do, there's probably room for both of the above listening experiences in our lives.

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Post by atoav »

apwell23 wrote: post #227
tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

> run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers > use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home > host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. i really have no idea what any of these words mean. Spotify's future is secure.

A docker container is a way to easily install software on a server without having to install dependencies yourself.

A VPN (Virtual Private Network) is a way of securely connecting to your home network without exposing it to the world.

FLAC and Opus are audio formats. FLAC uses lossless compression and offers the best uncompressed quality while not being as huge as a broadcast wave (.wav) file. Opus is similar to an mp3, that means it is a lossy compression, but it sounds extremely good at small bit rates/with bad connections. The transcoding-on-the-fly-bit means the user opens up the private Navidrome website running in their home from the road and the Audio they play is compressed and sent over on the fly as they play it.

Self hosting sounds scary, but it is an essential skill nowadays and extremely useful. Things I self-host (besides websites) include a partskeeper instance which is essentially a stock keeping system for electronics parts, jellyfin as a netflix replacement for films and series, my mailserver (mailcow), paperless-ngx (hooked up to a scanner, allows automatic text-recognition and tagging of invoices, letters, etc.) and homeassistant (smart home).

That probably makes it appear like I have to spend all my free time on this, but it takes surprisingly little of my time to maintain this, with a lot of it running on a single Raspberry Pi.

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Post by benfortuna »

physicsguy wrote: post #251
benfortuna wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No none of those. Is a special dynamic playlist, starting to wonder if its not a standard playlist everyone has.. sort of like the DJ mix without the annoying voice. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1EP6YuccBxUcC1

If I look at mine today (00s indie britpop Thursday early morning) I know pretty much every song and artist on it

if you stick with it the cycle will introduce new stuff. I have been using for months and still get new music (with occasional repeats)

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by 4k93n2 »

dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

its hard to beat the convenience of being able to right click/radio to get new recommendations but there has to be other options that arent that much more effort either?

i think you can add plugins to jellyfin. maybe there is a last.fm plugin? i know of some other last.fm alternatives like maloja or libre.fm but i cant comment on how good they are

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Post by fabatka »

layoric wrote: post #85
chillfox wrote: post #58

Self-hosting stuff is awesome if you have the skills. I have been on a mission for the last 2 years to replace as many subscriptions as possible with self-hosted solutions. The subscriptions really had gotten out of hand, it had gotten to about $200 (AUD) a month. Quick napkin math is that I have cancelled about ~$150 a month worth of subscriptions so far. The $500 office desktop I got for a home server is struggling…

This reflects a lot of what I've been through as well. My subscriptions exploded when AU got a lot of different streaming platforms, and I think when paramount+ came out and took Star Trek off of another one I drew the line. I realised I still owned all the physical media, so time to make backups. Previous to that I moved off Gmail, that was by far the hardest, and still somewhat ongoing after 8+ years. The hardest t…

What about backups? My greatest fear is self-hosting valuable stuff (like family photos) only for my NAS to fail one day and lose potentially everything.

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Post by HexPhantom »

chillfox wrote: post #58

Self-hosting stuff is awesome if you have the skills. I have been on a mission for the last 2 years to replace as many subscriptions as possible with self-hosted solutions. The subscriptions really had gotten out of hand, it had gotten to about $200 (AUD) a month. Quick napkin math is that I have cancelled about ~$150 a month worth of subscriptions so far. The $500 office desktop I got for a home server is struggling…

$150/month shaved off is no joke. It's funny how these subscriptions creep up until you're basically running a second rent in background services.

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Post by anthonypz »

sussmannbaka wrote: post #231
sailfast wrote: post #76

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Sure, but that’s piracy. Kinda like saying Winamp is alternative to Spotify. The music is kinda the most important thing.

If you feel bad, buy a single song of each artist afterwards and you have given them vastly more money than listening to them on Spotify will ever generate.

It’s sad but true. What I like to do is use the credits I earn from choosing slower Amazon deliveries to purchase single songs on Amazon music. Sometimes I don’t even download the song.

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Post by INTPenis »

al_borland wrote: post #171
someonehere wrote: post #93

If you haven’t been keeping up with Plex, self-hosters like myself and others are up in arms over the client rewrite. It feels like the Sonos update for us. Broken features. Useful functionality removed. UI that’s more streaming focused than self-hosting like it used to be. If you haven’t gone down the Plex path yet, don’t right now as the community and developers sort out their roadmap. Plex seems to be open to feed…

I’ve been using Plex since it was a Mac only XBMC fork. While it’s drastically different than where it started, I haven’t noticed any recent changes. I do 99% of my viewing via the AppleTV app and it hasn’t changed. I removed all the shortcuts for their streaming stuff long ago. I’m running the server in Docker and pretty lazy about updating it. Is that the side that changed? It looks like I’m running 1.27 and 1.41 i…

The good thing about docker is that you can just spin up 1.41 in another container and check it out.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by INTPenis »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #11

Just wish Jellyfin would support S3 compatible targets for media storage :/ point at bucket(s), scan/index/enrich, serve to clients

Is that wise though? I mean I understand the desire to use cheap off-site storage, but S3 clouds can be expensive when requesting files a lot, streaming data, lots of read/write operations.
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