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Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by ksec »

gklitt wrote: post #74

I tried one task head-to-head with Codex o4-mini vs Claude Code: writing documentation for a tricky area of a medium-sized codebase. Claude Code did great and wrote pretty decent docs. Codex didn't do well. It hallucinated a bunch of stuff that wasn't in the code, and completely misrepresented the architecture - it started talking about server backends and REST APIs in an app that doesn't have any of that. I'm curiou…

Sometimes I see in certain areas AI / LLM is absolutely crushing those jobs, a whole category will be gone in next 5 to 10 years as they are already 80 - 90% mark. They just need another 5 - 10% as they continue to get improvement and they are already cheaper per task.

Sometimes I see an area of AI/LLM that I thought even with 10x efficiency improvement and 10x hardware resources which is 100x in aggregate it will still be no where near good enough.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Which is why I dont believe AGI will be here any time soon. But Assisted Intelligence is no doubt in its iPhone moment and continue for another 10 years before hopefully another breakthrough.

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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fasdfasdf11234 wrote: post #259
asadm wrote: post #143

These days, I usually paste my entire (or some) repo into gemini and then APPLY changes back into my code using this handy script i wrote: https://github.com/asadm/vibemode I have tried aider/copilot/continue/etc. But they lack in one way or the other.

Isn't this similar to https://aider.chat/docs/usage/copypaste.html Just checked to see how it works. It seems that it does all that you are describing. The difference is in the way that it provides the files - it doesn't use xml format. If you wish you could /add * to add all your files. Also deducing from this mode it seems that any file that you add to aider chat with /add has its full contents added to the chat co…

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Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by asadm »

fasdfasdf11234 wrote: post #259
asadm wrote: post #143

These days, I usually paste my entire (or some) repo into gemini and then APPLY changes back into my code using this handy script i wrote: https://github.com/asadm/vibemode I have tried aider/copilot/continue/etc. But they lack in one way or the other.

Isn't this similar to https://aider.chat/docs/usage/copypaste.html Just checked to see how it works. It seems that it does all that you are describing. The difference is in the way that it provides the files - it doesn't use xml format. If you wish you could /add * to add all your files. Also deducing from this mode it seems that any file that you add to aider chat with /add has its full contents added to the chat co…

that’s correct. aider doesn’t RAG on files which is good. I don’t use it because 1) UI is so slow and clunky 2) using gemini 2.5 via api in this way (huge context window) is expensive but also heavily rate limited at this point. No such issue when used via aistudio ui.

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by fasdfasdf11234 »

asadm wrote: post #263
fasdfasdf11234 wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this similar to https://aider.chat/docs/usage/copypaste.html Just checked to see how it works. It seems that it does all that you are describing. The difference is in the way that it provides the files - it doesn't use xml format. If you wish you could /add * to add all your files. Also deducing from this mode it seems that any file that you add to aider chat with /add has its full contents added to the chat co…

that’s correct. aider doesn’t RAG on files which is good. I don’t use it because 1) UI is so slow and clunky 2) using gemini 2.5 via api in this way (huge context window) is expensive but also heavily rate limited at this point. No such issue when used via aistudio ui.

You could use aider copy-paste with aistudio ui or any other web chat. You could use gemini-2.0-flash for the aider model that will apply the changes. But I understand your first point.

I also understand having build your own tool to fit your own workflow. And being able to easily mold it to what you need.

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by asadm »

fasdfasdf11234 wrote: post #264
asadm wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that’s correct. aider doesn’t RAG on files which is good. I don’t use it because 1) UI is so slow and clunky 2) using gemini 2.5 via api in this way (huge context window) is expensive but also heavily rate limited at this point. No such issue when used via aistudio ui.

You could use aider copy-paste with aistudio ui or any other web chat. You could use gemini-2.0-flash for the aider model that will apply the changes. But I understand your first point. I also understand having build your own tool to fit your own workflow. And being able to easily mold it to what you need.

yup exactly. as weird workflows emerge it’s nicer to have your own weird tooling around this until we all converge to one optimal way.

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by 999900000999 »

From my experience with playing with Claude Code vs Cline( which is open source and the tool to beat imo). I don't want anything that doesn't let me set my own models.

Deepseek is about 1/20th of the price and only slightly behind Claude.

Both have a tendency to over engineer. It's like a junior engineer who treats LOC as a KPI.

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by threecheese »

Implicated wrote: post #198
Aeolun wrote: post #165

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> Its not cheap, but its by far the best, most consistent experience I have had. It’s too expensive for what it does though. And it starts failing rapidly when it exhausts the context window.

I keep seeing this sentiment and it's wild to me. Sure, it might cost a few dollars here and there. But what I've personally been getting from it, for that cost, is so far away from "expensive" it's laughable. Not only does it do things I don't want to do, in a _super_ efficient manner. It does things I don't know how to do - contextually, within my own project, such that when it's done I _do_ know how to do it. Like…

How can one develop this skill via trial and error if the cost is unknowably high? Before reasoning, it was less important when tokens are cheap, but mixing models, some models being expensive to use, and reasoning blowing up the cost, having to pay even five bucks to make a mistake sure makes the cost seem higher than the value. A little predictability here would go a long way in growing the use of these capabilities, and so one should wonder why cost predictability doesn’t seem to be important to the vendors - maybe the value isn’t there, or is only there for the select few that can intuit how to use the tech effectively.

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by noidesto »

sagarpatil wrote: post #218
noidesto wrote: post #178

I've had great results with the Amazon Q developer cli, ever since it became agentic. I believe it's using claude-3.7-sonnet under the hood.

How does it compare to Claude Code

I haven't used Claude Code. But one major difference is Q Cli is $19/month with generous limits.

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by dingnuts »

artdigital wrote: post #250
aitchnyu wrote: post #219

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Is it using one of these models? https://openrouter.ai/models?q=amazon Seems 4x costlier than my Aider+Openrouter. Since I'm less about vibes or huge refactoring, my (first and only) bill is <5 usd with Gemini. These models will halve that.

No, Amazon Q is using Amazon Q. You can't change the model, it's calling itself "Q" and it's capped to $20 (Q Developer Pro plan). There is also a free tier available - https://aws.amazon.com/q/developer/ It's very much a "Claude Code" in the sense that you have a "q chat" command line command that can do everything from changing files, running shell commands, reading and researching, etc. So I can say "q chat" and t…

> the entire appeal of Claude Code is that it does everything itself, like figuring out what files to read/change

how is this appealing? I think I must be getting old because the idea of letting a language model run wild and run commands on my system -- that's unsanitized input! --horrifies me! What do you mean just let it change random files??

I'm going to have to learn a new trade, IDK

Re: OpenAI Codex CLI: Lightweight coding agent that runs in your terminal

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Post by ChadMoran »

greymalik wrote: post #133
ChadMoran wrote: post #45

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I've spent more than 40 hours/week and close to $1,000 in API credits using these tools. For me the ranking goes. But, we all will have difference experiences. 1. Claude Code 2. Cursor 3. Cline. 4. Windsurf

$1000 over how many 40 hour weeks?

Honesty not sure quite a few. 6-8 or so?
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