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Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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amarcheschi wrote: post #59
_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

The old Chinese strategy of having 7343 different phone models with almost the same specs to confuse the customer better

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Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by jcynix »

WhatIsDukkha wrote: post #86
jcynix wrote: post #80

To plan a visit to a dark sky place, I used duck.ai (Duckduckgo's experimental AI chat feature) to ask five different AIs on what date the new moon will happen in August 2025. GPT-4o mini: The new moon in August 2025 will occur on August 12. Llama 3.3 70B: The new moon in August 2025 is expected to occur on August 16, 2025. Claude 3 Haiku: The new moon in August 2025 will occur on August 23, 2025. o3-mini: Based on a…

I would never ask any of these questions of an LLM (and I use and rely on LLMs multiple times a day), this is a job for a computer. I would also never ask a coworker for this precise number either.

My reasoning for the plain question was: as people start to replace search engines by AI chat, I thought that asking "plain" questions to see how trustworthy the answers might be, would be a good test. Because plain folks will ask plain questions and won't think about the subtle details. They would not expect a "precise number" either, i.e. not 23:06 PDT, but would like to know if this weekend would be fine for a trip or the previous or next weekend would be better to book a "dark sky" tour.

And, BTW, I thought that LLMs are computers too ;-0

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by louthy »

skygazer wrote: post #252
louthy wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could develop an AI model to help pick the correct AI model. Now you’ve got 18 problems.

I think you're trying to re-contextualize the old Standards joke, but I actually think you're right -- if a front end model could dispatch as appropriate to the best backend model for a given prompt, and turn everything into a high level sort of mixture of models, I think that would be great, and a great simplifying step. Then they can specialize and optimize all they want, CPU goes down, responses get better and we…

> I think you're trying to re-contextualize the old Standards joke

Regex joke [1], but the standards joke will do just fine also :)

[1] Some people, when confronted with a problem, think “I know, I’ll use regular expressions.” Now they have two problems.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by M4v3R »

astrange wrote: post #174
paxys wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI isn't selling GPT-4 or o1 or o4-mini or turbo or whatever else to the general public. These announcements may as well be them releasing GPT v12.582.599385. No one outside of a small group of nerds cares. The end consumer is going to chatgpt.com and typing things in the box.

They have an enterprise business too. I think it's relevant for that.

And that’s exactly why their model naming and release process looks like this right now.

Re: OpenAI o3 and o4-mini

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Post by jumpCastle »

gallerdude wrote: post #16
brap wrote: post #4

Where's the comparison with Gemini 2.5 Pro?

For coding, I like the Aider polyglot benchmark, since it covers multiple programming languages. Gemini 2.5 Pro got 72.9% o3 high gets 81.3%, o4-mini high gets 68.9%

It was a good benchmark until it entered the training set.

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Post by echelon »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #144
echelon wrote: post #104

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They're rumored to be working on a social network to rival X with the focus being on image generations. https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/15/openai-is-reportedly-devel... The play now seems to be less AGI, more "too big to fail" / use all the capital to morph into a FAANG bigtech. My bet is that they'll develop a suite of office tools that leverage their model, chat/communication tools, a browser, and perhaps a device.…

Not surprising. Add comments to sora.com and you've got a social network.

Seriously. The users on sora.com are already trying to. They're sending messages to each other with the embedded image text and upvoting it.

GPT 4o and Sora are incredibly viral and organic and it's taking over TikTok, Instagram, and all other social media.

If you're not watching casual social media you might miss it, but it's nothing short of a phenomenon.

ChatGPT is now the most downloaded app this month. Images are the reason for that.

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Post by chrsw »

shmatt wrote: post #120
_fat_santa wrote: post #58

So at this point OpenAI has 6 reasoning models, 4 flagship chat models, and 7 cost optimized models. So that's 17 models in total and that's not even counting their older models and more specialized ones. Compare this with Anthropic that has 7 models in total and 2 main ones that they promote. This is just getting to be a bit much, seems like they are trying to cover for the fact that they haven't actually done much.…

Im old enough to remember the mystery and hype before o*/o1/strawberry that was supposed to be essentially AGI. We had serious news outlets write about senior people at OpenAI quitting because o1 was SkyNet Now we're up to o4, AGI is still not even in near site (depending on your definition, I know). And OpenAI is up to about 5000 employees. I'd think even before AGI a new model would be able to cover for at least 45…

I’m not an AI researcher but I’m not convinced these contemporary artificial neural networks will get us to AGI, even assuming an acceleration to current scaling pace. Maybe my definition of AGI is off but I’m thinking what that means is a machine that can think, learn and behave in the world in ways very close to human. I think we need a fundamentally different paradigm for that. Not something that is just trained and deployed like current models, but something that is constantly observing, constantly learning and constantly interacting with the real world like we do. AHI, not AGI. True AGI may not exist because there are always compromises of some kind.

But, we don’t need AGI/AHI to transform large parts of our civilization. And I’m not seeing this happen either.

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Post by solardev »

jsnell wrote: post #231
scarface_74 wrote: post #197

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Yes and Amazon has 1.52 million employees. How many developers could they possibly need? Or maybe it’s just nonsensical to compare the number of employees across companies - especially when they don’t do nearly the same thing. On a related note, wait until you find out how many more employees that Apple has than Google since Apple has hundreds of retail employees.

Apple has fewer employees than Google (164k < 183k).

Siri must be really good.
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